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The Next Bubble to Pop

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of hydrocarbon depletion.

Which is the next bubble to pop?

Poll ended at Sun 19 Aug 2012, 11:51:05

Natural Gas
2
7%
Student Loans and Education
8
30%
Healthcare
1
4%
Solar
0
No votes
Ethanol (maybe this already has, but has farther to fall)
0
No votes
Europe
7
26%
Global Banking
2
7%
Something Else
2
7%
More Than One at a Time
4
15%
None - Someone Always Rides to the Rescue
1
4%
 
Total votes : 27

The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 30 Jun 2012, 11:51:05

It is mid 2012. The Supreme Court has just upheld the health law. Natural gas is at low, low prices when fracking costs so much. Another solar company has gone under, Abound(sic) in Colorado. In short, there are all kinds of places where investment has been over-directed. Which one is in such bad shape that it will pop next?

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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 30 Jun 2012, 12:37:44

30 year treasury yield is 2.75%. Please add to your list.
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 30 Jun 2012, 13:00:45

Has the natural gas bubble not already bust?

That said Bakken oil may feel the pressure of the lower prices and I have seen some producers pulling out. Low prices are not the friend of cornucopians.
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 30 Jun 2012, 15:02:36

I wanted to say Global Banking, but figure those folks will wiggle out of trouble again, and offset the next bubble, Student Loans Defaults, on the taxpayer twice--once with bailouts and also additional welfare/employment/social problems
Our great-great-grandparents burned wood and coal. Our grandparents burned oil. We burn natural gas. Our children will burn their furniture. :badgrin:
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby roccman » Sat 30 Jun 2012, 15:29:49

muni bonds - next shoe to drop - needs added to list

then again - there is this;

http://dailybail.com/home/robert-precht ... again.html

treasuries next bubble to pop
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby Pops » Sun 01 Jul 2012, 07:40:10

China?
Gold?
Tuition?
Social Media?
We can only wish it's healthcare

I think there are lots of "banks" out there still playing the rackets like Jamie Diamon because nothing has changed to prevent it. He was the guy who said since 08 "Leave us alone we'll police ourselves" and the story is now the loses on that one bad bunch of bets alone could cost 10 billion. The taxpayers picked up the tab in 08 but I doubt we can or will again anytime soon.


China making a hard landing could hurt, it'a the second largest importer of goods after the US and our bank of last resort. I read that the coal is piling up at their docks, meaning industrial use is down (I guess).

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I think worst of all for the US is not another bubble but the fact housing won't re-inflate for years. Boomers retiring and wanting to downsize is a big deal if kids aren't going to buy the big Craker Jack Box on the Cull de Sack because kids can't find a job – there is bound to be an increase in household size and drop in formation as kids stay home instead of moving out - this is becoming a big red flag for growth.

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But then maybe the bubble has already burst:

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Maybe we can't blow bubbles anymore because we're just trying to stay afloat:
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby Beery1 » Sun 01 Jul 2012, 08:34:46

Capitalism.
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sun 01 Jul 2012, 11:57:17

I posted this a year or two ago, and I still think it is true: the next bubble to pop in the US will be the insurance industry. They have their sticky fat fingers in Everything, including, IMHO, the pockets of many congress people.
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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 01 Jul 2012, 13:25:38

Higher education, delivered online to the masses, pumped up by big banker investments in online delivery and government programs to either pay for or make loans easier to get. Everybody wants the degree and it's related to the "American Dream". The content can be delivered online. It's kind of a combination of housing except without the burden of having to secure physical materials and news which has been "revolutionized" by online delivery. It will burst when everyone figures out that nobody is getting smarter, therefore cannot secure jobs and the loans cannot be paid off.

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Re: The Next Bubble to Pop

Unread postby smiley » Fri 06 Jul 2012, 17:21:01

The "baby boomer retirement bust". We have a whole generation that is about to, or have just, retired, and there is no money to pay them.

Problem is that companies have structurally set aside too little money to pay future benefits to their employees or managed it wrongly or both.

In all the high profile cases: ENRON, Lehman, Chrysler, GM, AA, Delta, NW, UAL and many more, companies were rescued by annulling their pension obligations and transferring their pensions to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC).

PBGC Takes Step to Protect Participants in Enron's Underfunded Defined Benefit Pension Plans
PBGC Assumes Pensions at Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc

This means that the people involved will get a lot less money than they were entitled to hurting consumption.

What the AMR Bankruptcy Means to American Airlines Pension Plans
RG Steel workers should be wary of what they’ll get from PBGC

And the money has to be payed for by taxes putting a further drag on the economy.
GM's Pension: A Ticking Time Bomb for Taxpayers?

I took the US but this is of course happening in a lot of places with loose pension regulations and aging populations.
Analysis: The AIJ scandal and Japan's pension time bomb

This bubble has already burst, but I guess it will take a few years for the real effects to materialize.
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