Sailing the Farm - come join our sailing/boatbuilding coop.

[SeaGypsy]

Make sure you have plenty of drogues Newfie, a 44 foot keel boat will smash most drogues the first tim you really need them. I suggest the only unbreakable version/ lots and lots of knotted ropes. Mate of mine got 5km of climbing rope from an army auction for a few hundred dollars, made 5/ 1km draglines, knotted every meter/ worked brilliantly for his 44 steel schooner.

[davep]

Make sure you have plenty of drogues Newfie, a 44 foot keel boat will smash most drogues the first tim you really need them. I suggest the only unbreakable version/ lots and lots of knotted ropes. Mate of mine got 5km of climbing rope from an army auction for a few hundred dollars, made 5/ 1km draglines, knotted every meter/ worked brilliantly for his 44 steel schooner.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Newfie]

Make sure you have plenty of drogues Newfie, a 44 foot keel boat will smash most drogues the first tim you really need them. I suggest the only unbreakable version/ lots and lots of knotted ropes. Mate of mine got 5km of climbing rope from an army auction for a few hundred dollars, made 5/ 1km draglines, knotted every meter/ worked brilliantly for his 44 steel schooner.

Galerider + one other. Thanks.

[SeaGypsy]

Man that sounds like some serious fun, I'm more than a tad envious.
Currently I am utilizing my boatbuilding skills in a wood rot repair business doing renovations work on old houses, it's great coin, but it's keeping me out of the water (and off it).

3rd year and second (last) baby into a marriage where my wife swore to sail anywhere with me..... you know how that tends to go...
But it's not all dried up for the old SG, a business partner just leased a large industrial shed nearby and is keen as I to build a certain kind of boat.

You may think I'm barmy, as this is about as far from ....
Think
Proa/ L 38' (LH 22') W 18' Pacific alignment (main hull to lee)
Under the water inspired by Phil Bolger/ sharpie/ long chine.
Rigged w/ double windsurfer style, fully flexible stayed at boom. (Patentable bamboo laminate masts)
Cabin alignment inspired by http://www.proafile.com/archive/article/teh_pookie
Constructed from bamboo fibre laminate vacuum moulded in a steel mould.


Nobody has ever done anything like what I'm talking about, so it's the exact opposite of working from a set of plans. I'm looking at about 12 sets of plans and trying to build a hybrid. If it works it should average 80% of maxi speeds and keep 6 people alive on journeys along the western Pacific coast.

[Newfie]

Ambitious man.

My wife will go anywhere in the world on two conditions....
1) She can walk to work and
2) She does not change jobs.

!@$#$%

[SeaGypsy]

The only real motivation to get my wife on board has nothing to do with her sense of adventure, more wanting to keep an eye on her husband's, if you know what I mean.
She loves 40' bridgedeck catamarans and super yachts, out of my league for the time being, but accomodations need to be ample.
The main journeys we are planning are antipodal to yours, lots of tropical island hopping in this part of the world, SE Asia/ Australasia and the Polynesian archipeligo. We need to be light and fast with shallow draft. In lattitudes outside about 40 I would not consider a light multi, but Melbourne's Bass Strait is my scariest ocean stretch and it's only a day or 2 sail. Beyond Eden up the NSW coast is SW then SE trades all the way to PNG 9 months of the year, then some very random wind areas crossing the equator, with some of the stongest ocean currents in the world and cyclones/ typhoons etc.

There is nothing so wonderful as a journey by sail in a ship built by hand, no more serene a purpose, no more peacefull a dream...
Best wishes on your journey me hearty'

[Newfie]

Thanks,

Never been below 40.

Boats are antipodal also, this being a 44' cutter @ a reported 44,000lbs.

[zeyang]

Newsletter February 2012. .

Dear Sea Gypsies,

Spring is slowly coming our way, This winter has been really nice
compared to last winter. It has seldom been below -15, which is quite
out of normal.

We had a really nice christmas on the farm, with lots of friends and
seagypies. This year Santa Claus had an australian accent. We tried to
teach him the only one and important centence in norwegian - "Are
there any nice children here" but in last minute he forgot - but the
"kids" still got their presents. The small ones got proper
vikinghelmets and dress of course.... What else for seagypses?

Else we have been doing regular winter maintainance on the farm and
been looking forward to the spring. The boat project is going forward
working on small and big pieces on the boat. We have been doing some
work on how to make a furnace to melt all that scrap aluminum into
more useful stuff like portholes. Casting is not something new. People
have been doing thise for ages. Hopefully we manage to make something
out of brick run on propane or better firewood which we have plenty of
up here. Any foundry and casting experience out there?

Anyway, its quite busy up here now but dont forget to enjoy the early
spring folks! .. and if you want to join our tribe please contact us!

Pictures.

a. Enjoy christmas dinner with friends and seagypies.
b. A young seagypsy quite happy whith his christmaspresent - proper
viking helmet!
c. Out walking the mast. Even a mast need some fresh air these days!
d. We want to duplicate these guys! Anyone with casting/foundry
experience out there? We want to learn!


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[SeaGypsy]

Hi Z, I have done a lot of smelting, mostly in glass, then brass alloys and tin mine fining. What you will need is an air drive burner to suit the scale of pot/ furnace you want to run. The cheapest way to build a furnace/ crucible is to use high temperature glass fibre and high grade kalin. You will also need bicarbonate to cook out impurities and you will need to do some test runs to work out your ideal temps and timing. Being in China, you shouldn't have much trouble sourcing off the shelf casting gear? I know it's more fun to do it yourself, but having built a lot of furnaces and equipment, I would suggest the less efficient option for small scale casting. The last set up I built cost me about $400 in materials and could heat up 4 liters volume to 1300 Celsius over about 8 hours. That doesn't count about 3 days work. It is not easy even if following a formula. Fine tuning burners on such apparatus is an art in itself and if you don't get it right, you never get anywhere near temp.
I would look into an electric hobby scale furnace and forget doing any large smelts unless you luck in with your woofers and find one who has done a lot of this stuff before.

[zeyang]

Newsletter April 2012. .

Dear Sea Gypsies,

Still some time until we are ready to put the seeds into the soil. Its
more or less -5 degrees C during night last weeks but daytime is above
zero.

The days have been spent welding and welding and when we havent done
welding we have spent time troubleshoot welding machines. They have a
tendency to break down unfortunately. So we bought 2 more big
machines. We also got hold of another ton of lead. There seems to be
no end to how much lead we need for ballast.

Ahh yes. We got more chickens on the farm. one of our hens found out
we need some easter chickens this year and she missed by 2 days. Not
bad. The small one is a little shy so its hard to take a picture
without getting attacked by the angry mother.

Today it will be traditional easter-dinner here on the farm with
people from near and far. Wish you all fair winds and following seas
and hope you all have a peacful easter.

picture from last weeks.

a: our chickens are enjoying longer and warmer days.
b: two more welding machines arrived on the farm.. It seems we cant
get enough welding machines.
c: Our easter chicken arrived 2 days before easter.


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[AgentR11]

We have two boats; a 44'er here in Philadelphia area, and a 33'er in Newfoundland. I was going to take the 33, which is pretty much kitted out for single handing. But events have shifted to cause me to take the 44 from Philadelphia, a longer trip.

I hadn't really been watching this thread all that much and missed this.

Do you really feel comfortable solo around loads that the 33 (won't even comment on the 44) will generate? Maybe I'm just overly paranoid, or in love with my future mistress (a Contessa 26). Don't know which...

[Newfie]

Fair comment Agent.

No, not really. This will be a learning curve for me. Hopefully a long one.

Talk to me in 6 or 7 months and I'll let you know better.

[zeyang]

Newsletter May 2012.

Dear Sea gypsies

Spring has come to the farm! And then came summer, and then a few
blustery days of fall, and finally last Friday and Saturday it snowed
again. But that will be the last snow of the year, we hope - the mild
weather seems to have returned, the trees are leafing out, the
wildflowers are springing up around the river, the bees and the
neighbors have come out of hibernation (again), and we are hard at
work.

This week we mixed a few tons of lovely manure compost into the soil
of the north field, and planted eleven rows of potatoes - by hand -
which should give us about 300 kilos of potatoes in the fall to feed
hungry sea-gypsies all next winter. Next week we'll plant carrots and
onions, and move some tender warm-weather starts to our new greenhouse
- radishes, bok choi, spinach, parsley, beets, and sugar peas so tall,
they might start climbing us if we don't get them out of the kitchen
soon.

Work on the boat has really picked up recently. We've been distracted
with planting, and replumbing the bathroom, and building coldframes
and the new greenhouse - but now that the potatoes are in the ground
and the sea-gypsies are in the bath (phew), we are back in the
boatshed all the time. Our resident woodworker is about to start work
on a wooden dinghy from a traditional Norwegian design, just as soon
as he gets the greenhouse finished. And we cast two tons of lead
ballast, a very medieval process involving a wood-fired furnace in the
yard. The boat will eventually carry five tons, so there is more
casting to do as soon as the scrap yard has more lead for us.

Inside the boat we're sealing off the keel with aluminum plates - the
bow is nearly done, and then we can put in the last of the bow ribs.
In the stern, we're wrestling with engine placement - it needs to be
high enough to fit the cooling system and the primary diesel tank
underneath, but low enough that the propeller clears the stern.
Hmmmmm. Fortunately there's plenty to do while we're thinking about
it - like put on the deck! The boat will start looking dramatically
different very soon and we're all pretty excited.

As always, there's room for more in our big sea-gypsy tribe - so if
you like planting, weeding, shoveling, soldering, sawing, nailing,
welding, grinding, sewing, cooking, drilling, knitting, routering,
getting headbutted by chickens, watching 2-hour sunsets, measuring,
cutting, re-measuring, thinking, re-re-measuring, making bread,
reading sea books, eating waffles or knot-tying, drop us a line!


Picture from last weeks.

a: Sea gypsy girl making psykedelic chair-protection for the chairs.

b: Shaping wood with router

c: Potato-planting.

d: lead melting girl finished melting 2 tonns in one week.


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[zeyang]

Newsletter June 2012.



Dear Sea gypsies

We're back to a full farm - the current crew of sea-gypsies hail from
Norway, Germany (times two), Finland, France/Belgium, the UK and the
US - it makes for lively, er, discussions in the evenings while we're
watching Euro Cup matches.

It also makes for rapid progress - in the last few weeks we've picked
the entire farm clean of rocks, planted two fields in a mixture of
cover crops (including phacelia, whose blue flowers are a favorite bee
snack), built and painted a fence around the yard, re-plumbed the
basement, fixed our fleet of bicycles, put in almost a kilometer of
fence around the biggest field, dug up half the far field looking for
a pipe leak, refinished a beautiful old door... and then, in our spare
time, built a model for the boat's dinghy, biked all over the area,
hiked down the river, spent a weekend in Oslo, foraged local plants
for dinner, built a campfire spot overlooking the valley, installed a
swing under the barn ramp, given each other mohawks, and baked about
forty loaves of bread.

And we're going to be parents! Kind of! One of our chickens has very
motherly instincts, and she's been incubating thirteen eggs - some
hers, some laid by the rest of our flock. We're expecting chicks in a
week or so.

All the farming hasn't left us much time for boatbuilding, but we
still managed to make some progress this month: the keelbox has been
welded shut in bow and stern, the last ribs are being bent to shape
and welded in, and the calculations for the curve of the deck have
begun. This week we'll finish the ribs and begin the wood patterns
for the deck frames.

We've been eating like royalty - everybody has learned to bake, and
the spring plants are out in force, so we feast on nettles, milkweed,
chaga mushrooms, dandelions, wood sorrel, and our own bread. After a
long winter of turnips, potatoes and carrots, it's wonderful to have
the green leaves that come with warm days, and the new dishes that
come with new comrades.


So, enjoy summer folks, and if you want to join us, just send us an
email.

Pictures from last weeks.

a: Sea-gypsy girl busy planning the route with help of the world-map
in background.

b: Fence-banging guys!

c: The Fencing-crew on the way to the field.

d: Enjoy a short rest after hours of rockpicking in the field.

e: Welding up the keelbox inside the boat.


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[SeaGypsy]

Hey Z, what happens to the farm once the boat is in the water?

[zeyang]

hi seagypsy
no idea. maybe split the group in two. one sailing and one farming

ze

[SeaGypsy]

Thanks for signing me up for the newsletter Zeyang.

Your response reminds me of Dmitry Orlov's article; a New age of sail.
His scenario is a post collapse (economic and environmental) with a nomadic seafaring/ permaculture society.

I love the idea of establishing such a network of boats, people, places and plantings. I have already sussed out many suitable parts of Australia and the far SE Asian archipelago, PNG etc.

I know it's not comfortable to get into politics with folks writing in China, so I won't go there. I bet I am not the only follower of this story who is somewhat surprised at how your tribe has been able to get so established in China. This seems to show an openness which is refreshing. I hope this continues.

Is there much interest among the locals about your project/s?

As far as I have gotten along the salty path right now is currently learning CAD so I can easily do my own drafting and virtual lofting.

[zeyang]

Newsletter July 2012.


Dear Sea gypsies

The summer has been good and productive to us. Mostly nice and warm
weather for whole june which is more than you can expect up here.. The
potatoefield and carrot field grow nicely. The sugar peas in the
small greenhouse is now blooming and soon we will be self-sufficient
on sugar-pies (that is, if we dont eat more than one pea a day each)


Mid summerday arrived with nice weather and as normal we had a the
traditional midsummer party sitting around the camp fire eating burned
marshmallows and dreaming about life out on the deep blue sea...

Talking about dreaming.. We have been discussing the deck curve for so
long that we started to get nightmares about this.. but in the end it
looks pretty good. The deck ribs are bent in, and we are in the stage
of plating the deck. Sofar the curve looks really nice! The deck area
will be around 40m2 totally, means we will have space for a hammock or
two between the masts!

Ok, that was all for this month,, if you fancy join our constantly
bigger sea gypsy tribe, please drop us a line. Whish you all a warm
summer and hope you enjoy our pictures below.

a: Mid summer party with camp fire and burned marshmallows.

b: British metalworker. Carpentry is for kids! Big boys only work with
metal!

c: Our french plating crew.

d: Two pretty mermaids (US/Germany) working on deck ribs. Hard hat is
mandatory when you work under the boat.

e: Fishing from the pier behind the boatshed. One of these days he
will hopefully get a fish!

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[zeyang]

Newsletter Late july 2012.


Dear Sea gypsies

Harvest season has just started and we are cutting and drying the gras
old time style. Its pretty backbreaking work, but our seaygpsy guys
are a hardworking bunch, so we will finish this step soon. A few more
weeks and we will also start blueberry and raspberry picking. Then
comes mushroom and lingonberries. The autumn will sure be be a busy
one!

Last weekends it has been a dumpsterdiving craziness which brought us
lots of goodies like cherries and nectarines. Its pity to throw away
good food.. so they end up in morning porrige and cakes! mmmm.

Boatbuilding is going forward at full speed. 6 plates are on and we
are ready for constructing the deckhouse and soon we start build up
the wood interior inside the boatw. It will be nice change indeed,
swapping the welding pistol with a hammer and saw. At least the smell
of sawdust is better than weldingfume.

Ok that was small update for last weeks, hope you enjoy our pictures
and drop us a line if you want to join or gang!

a: Happy gang of seagypsy guys cutting gras.

b. Old style harvest. It seems easy but its hard pretty hard work.

c: Nice rest in hammock after a hard days work.

d. Polish grinding girl working on deck beams.

e. Sea gypsies out camping. The lake was a bit too cold for
swimming.. brr.

Love from
Sailing the farm - a sea gypsy tribe of tomorrow.

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[orchid]

hi list.
ive been posting regularly on different forums regarding finding people interesting in travel the world on a boat, meeting friends in different countries, living selfsufficientcy and learning different skills onboard.
what i found was: there is not more than a few persons on those sailing forums interested in this. (including maybe also peakoil forum)
so: Is there less than 10 people on this planet interested in this kind of life??
Any ideas which forums or places where i can find such people?

zeyang

Hi zeyang,
I don't know where you can find such people online but they are in just about every marina and anchorage that you'll sail into. My husband and I have been sailing our 46' 1974 sailboat TEOTWAWKI on the east coast of the US for several years but we'll be headed for the Bahamas in January. We bought our "seastead" in 2009 and have been enjoying improving our sailing skills ever since. All kinds of people choose to liveaboard sailboats for all kinds of reasons. Though I haven't met too many that were peak oil aware, out of necessity (and cheapness ) most are very resource conscious. It takes a rather adventurous soul to be willing to head out to sea and brave whatever weather mother nature throws at you in a small craft with tiny crew so successful sailors tend to be a resourceful, independent lot. I know you'll meet plenty of kindred spirits once you start sailing.