LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[dinopello]

Oooo, I can't wait!

Defkalion says they will be unveiling their operational prototype in the July/August timeframe also - right about the same time.

Why is it always around late summer/early Fall ?

The blue box used in the demonstration is now being mass-produced in Florida for delivery to a Greek licensee in October 2011. One hundred such units will be connected in series/parallel arrangement to make a one-megawatt demonstration power plant. These are being produced at Rossi's expense under an agreement that the Greek customer, Defkalion, pays only if performance specifications are met.

[Rune]

Oooo, I can't wait!

Defkalion says they will be unveiling their operational prototype in the July/August timeframe also - right about the same time.

Why is it always around late summer/early Fall ?

The blue box used in the demonstration is now being mass-produced in Florida for delivery to a Greek licensee in October 2011. One hundred such units will be connected in series/parallel arrangement to make a one-megawatt demonstration power plant. These are being produced at Rossi's expense under an agreement that the Greek customer, Defkalion, pays only if performance specifications are met.

You are quoting an article from March 2011, BEFORE the falling out between Rossi and Defkalion. You are WAY, WAY out-of-date, dude.

July/August is mid-summer.

Rossi will not be presenting at the cold fusion conference in August. His operational prototype is supposed to be unveiled in late 2012 or early 2013, but that is not firm; it could easily change. That would be Winter.

[diemos]

Rossi will not be presenting at the cold fusion conference in August. His operational prototype is supposed to be unveiled in late 2012 or early 2013, but that is not firm; it could easily change. That would be Winter.

Ummm....

Didn't Rossi unveil a working 1MW E-cat last year. You know, the one with the 1MW electrical generator humming in the background.

You know, the one that vanished off the face of the earth and has never been seen again? The one that he admitted he doesn't have a factory to build and which doesn't do any nuclear reactions?

[Rune]

e-catworld

Infinite Energy magazine is reporting that Defkalion Green Technolgies and Brillioun Energy will be making presentations at the conference. IE’s web site reports, ‘Representatives from Defkalion will make two presentations: A technical presentation entitled “Technical Characteristics & Performance of the Defkalion Hyperion Model 0 Module” and a general presentation on “The Potential Contribution of LENR in Resolving the World’s Energy Problems.” Robert Godes, the President and Chief Technology Officer of Brillouin Energy, will make a presentation on their technical results and also participate in the theory panel.’

What do you suppose the chances are of Peak Oil becoming an academic, moot subject - made entirely irrelevant by a heretofore unrecognized new democratized source of clean, green, sustainable, energy for the whole world?

[dinopello]

Rossi will not be presenting at the cold fusion conference in August. His operational prototype is supposed to be unveiled in late 2012 or early 2013, but that is not firm; it could easily change. That would be Winter.

Ummm....

Didn't Rossi unveil a working 1MW E-cat last year. You know, the one with the 1MW electrical generator humming in the background.

You know, the one that vanished off the face of the earth and has never been seen again? The one that he admitted he doesn't have a factory to build and which doesn't do any nuclear reactions?

I guess that's why he won't be at the conference. Next year it's why Defkalion won't won't be at the conference, and so on.

[Rune]

Didn't Rossi unveil a working 1MW E-cat last year. You know, the one with the 1MW electrical generator humming in the background.

He did. It worked to the satisfaction of many; to the dissatisfaction of many as well. He is supposedly working with the Navty and siemans but it is all unconfirmed. We will just have to wait and see about his supposedly vastly improved 1 MW reactor that will be, he claims, unveiled later this year or early next.

But Rossi will not be presenting at the Cold Fusion Conference; Defkalion and Brillioun WILL be. The main money (amongst the LENR optimists) is on Defkalion, not Rossi.

Rossi is only one player among 6 competitors for market now. But I understand that you need to pretend he is a lone nut. I understand that you need to focus only on Rossi, since he is the one that is easiest to attack.

But the point remains. We are looking forward to the Cold Fusion conference in August when DEFKALION will be making all the news.

Got that? It's called Defkalion Green Technologies. Also Brillioun should be making some interesting theoretical announcements.

It's all very interesting and exciting, I think.

[diemos]

What do you suppose the chances are of Peak Oil becoming an academic, moot subject - made entirely irrelevant by a heretofore unrecognized new democratized source of clean, green, sustainable, energy for the whole world?

I'd be more than willing to bet on 0%

[Rune]

e-catworld

Infinite Energy magazine is reporting that Defkalion Green Technolgies and Brillioun Energy will be making presentations at the conference. IE’s web site reports, ‘Representatives from Defkalion will make two presentations: A technical presentation entitled “Technical Characteristics & Performance of the Defkalion Hyperion Model 0 Module” and a general presentation on “The Potential Contribution of LENR in Resolving the World’s Energy Problems.” Robert Godes, the President and Chief Technology Officer of Brillouin Energy, will make a presentation on their technical results and also participate in the theory panel.’

What do you suppose the chances are of Peak Oil becoming an academic, moot subject - made entirely irrelevant by a heretofore unrecognized new democratized source of clean, green, sustainable, energy for the whole world?

So make some predictions.

I predict that the conference WILL alert the mass media and many others to the LENR drama that we have been watching in this thread and the story will become a much-watched mainstream news item. Surprises or dissapointments will arrive with demonstrations or the lack thereof.

(BTW, Why do the mods keep splitting this thread into part 1, part 2, part, 3...? Why can't it be all one thread called the "Cold Fusion Thread" or "The LENR Thread"?)

[diemos]

We are looking forward to the Cold Fusion conference in August when DEFKALION will be making all the news.

Oh I remember Defkalion well. They were an engineering company who had been brought on board by Rossi to commercialize his black box. Eventually they had a falling out. Rossi claimed he had never given them his "secret sauce" so they had a design for all the supporting hardware but no black box at it's core.

It will indeed be interesting (or at least amusing) to see how they spin this state of affairs.

[Rune]

We are looking forward to the Cold Fusion conference in August when DEFKALION will be making all the news.

Oh I remember Defkalion well. They were an engineering company who had been brought on board by Rossi to commercialize his black box. Eventually they had a falling out. Rossi claimed he had never given them his "secret sauce" so they had a design for all the supporting hardware but no black box at it's core.

It will indeed be interesting (or at least amusing) to see how they spin this state of affairs.

There probably will not be any spin on it at all. Why would a company unnecessarily release any opinion on a potential legal case? Maybe someone will ask them that question.

That's a very small, minor point though compared to the (1) LENR Theory Race, and (2) Prototype devices actually using the poorly understood LENR effect for energy production.

If you haven't noticed , many leading scientific thinkers on cold fusion are theorizing about what is actually causing the LENR heat phenomenon. It's a race to watch and enjoy. And we watch it here. If a comprehensive theory is found that fits within the Standard Model of physics, the technical ability of engineers to harness the effect will be maximized, of course.

Defkalion and Brillioun both have prototype devices that can be demonstrated possibly. No one has said anything about demonstrations of these devices at the conference, but it will be on everybody's mind. Everyone wants to see prototypes and demonstrations of REAL working, unambiguous devices. And the introduction of these things DOES look imminent at the present time. There are too many competitors racing for technical achievement and the capture of big portions of the global market for cheap, clean energy production that doesn't harm the environment.

Who cares about some dumbass potential legal wrangle?

[Prune]

"dumbass"

Oh.......the irony!

[kublikhan]

Rossi is only one player among 6 competitors for market now. But I understand that you need to pretend he is a lone nut. I understand that you need to focus only on Rossi, since he is the one that is easiest to attack.

But the point remains. We are looking forward to the Cold Fusion conference in August when DEFKALION will be making all the news.

Got that? It's called Defkalion Green Technologies. Also Brillioun should be making some interesting theoretical announcements.

It's all very interesting and exciting, I think.

Is this a concession that Rossi probably does not have what he claims? I understand you think the other 5 players got the goods. But in your opinion, do you think Rossi has what he claims?

[Rune]

Is this a concession that Rossi probably does not have what he claims? I understand you think the other 5 players got the goods. But in your opinion, do you think Rossi has what he claims?

I've always said that I'm neutral on Rossi and Defkalion or Brillioun or anyone else until they produce a device that works as claimed.

But I DO think the LENR effect is real. That seems clear to me.

[SeaGypsy]

So are the sparks of static that come off my tennis shoes.

[Alcassin]

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/c ... n-upd.html

These are the most troubling parts of the LaRC response - apparently there are no publications related to this taxpayer-funded research. I asked. This is all they would tell me about: only a patent application is listed. FYI, anyone can file a patent application - about anything. People do it all the time. That said, after 3.5 years no one from NASA LaRC has published anything about this research - anywhere?

"2. How much has been spent to date on this LENR research and how much will be spent?: The average yearly cost for the approximately 3.5 years of the research thus far is about $222,000 for a total of about $778,000. The research is ongoing, and another $212,000 is budgeted for the remainder of FY 2012.

9. What publications have resulted from this NASA-funded research? (references/links
requested): A patent application has been published. Reference U.S. Patent Publication Number 2011/0255645."

Yeah, 3,5 years and no result of research. Great project, you can defraud taxpayers money and provide nothing. Damn, I wish I could do the same.

[SeaGypsy]

Ride that free energy wave all the way to the beach Mon!

[Rune]

600 Celsius - The Accelerating Evolution of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat

Consider the benefits this technology has to offer...

• Low-cost Fuel - Nickel, hydrogen, and cheap catalysts.
• High Power Density - Ten kilowatts of thermal power from a reactor core perhaps only 50CC or less in volume.
• High Temperature Output - Six hundred degree Celsius steam which allows for compatibility with state of the art, high efficiency turbines to generate electricity. Also, at this temperature it could be possible to use the steam to produce electricity via Stirling Engines or photothermalvoltaic panels.
• Safe Operation - No nuclear disaster is possible with this technology because no radioactive fuel is used, no nuclear waste is produced, and no radiation escapes the module.
• Portability and Continuous Operation - Unlike many other technologies, the E-Cat can be made small enough to be portable (even used to power vehicles) and can operate 24 hours a day regardless of weather conditions.
• No Pollution - The E-Cat technology does not emit green house gases, particulate matter, or other pollution into the atmosphere.

The benefits of the E-Cat technology as it is right now -- producing 600C steam -- are already staggering to think about. However, this technology is still in an early stage of development. Once it hits the marketplace, it will start evolving at an even more rapid rate.

If you look around online, there are already discussions about cold fusion based batteries, and solid state devices. I think it is very likely that ten years from now, someone could go to the store and pick out a small E-Cat branded battery that would last for years, output hundreds or thousands of watts, and could be used to provide constant power for their home.

Of course, this is conjecture about the future, but the reality of our current situation is that humanity has discovered a way to produce cheap 600C steam in a safe manner. This is something to get excited about. It means that depending on how fast the technology is commercialized and adopted, the fossil fuel age could be coming to an end in the not too distant future.

Now, this guy Hank Mills is a believer. I'm not in his camp. All I know about him is he writes articles on exotic energy like Sterling Allen does (whose PESN he writes for). Strangely, Mills gives Rossi all the kudos for having the real deal while he gives Defkalion none at all. I would give Defkalion more credibility than Rossi even though those last two demonstrations of Rossi's were compelling given the quality of the witnesses.

This stuff is too important NOT to be demonstrated conclusively soon however. Defkalion seems to have painted itself into a corner about the July/August announcement and unveiling of a factory-ready prototype. Mills never writes about them.

[yeahbut]

This stuff is too important NOT to be demonstrated conclusively soon however. Defkalion seems to have painted itself into a corner about the July/August announcement and unveiling of a factory-ready prototype. Mills never writes about them.

Not to worry. When this deadline sails past, unmet like all the others, there will be a perfectly valid reason. There always is- and there always will be...luckily for the ever-increasing crowd of magic box purveyors tho, hope springs eternal- at least in some!

[Rune]

Piantelli Moves Closer to Commercialization w/video

At The Atom Unexplored conference on May 4, Valerio Ciampoli, speaking for Prof. Francesco Piantelli, made the statement that Piantelli’s Nichenergy company would be in a position to talk about commercialization in a couple months, more specifically it was stated: “In this presentation, we present the current state of the research, which at present is only research, and it can be translated in a few months into industrial products.”

This information was released through Piantelli friend and confident Roy Virgilio on his blog energeticambiente.it. This information comes from two comments from Virgilio made on his blog on June 14 and on June 15. In the first comment, found here, Roy states that Piantelli is now moving forward with a plan to sell shares in his company to the general public, something he stated he would do last year. However, these shares will not be for the company Piantelli incorporated last year, Nichenergy, but for a new subsidiary of this company, Metalenergy. Apparently, Nichenergy is the research and development arm for Piantelli’s work, while Metalenergy will serve as the entity for commercial ventures related to his research. Funds raised through Metalenergy will be used to fund research at Nichenergy, with any future dividends to be paid back to investors through Metalenergy. The shares will be sold in values ranging from €100 to €1000 Euros, or $126 to $1260 US dollars. The initial goal of selling these shares is to raise between €50,000 and €100,000 to fund production of a commercial prototype. Per Roy:

The money will be used directly to fund the laboratory for the development of such generators (already under construction) and will then be rewarded with royalties from the sale of generators themselves or license granted over the whole European territory.

As one can see, the facility to develop these “generators” is apparently already under construction. Current plans call for the development of units in the 100 watt to 7 kW range.

Well, you can add one more purveyor to the list of serious and imminent commercializers of LENR technology. Piantelli has been a researcher in this field for years and years. Why has this solid researcher decided to pull out all the stops and join forces with all the other LENR scammers?

(I guess I just like to hear idiotic answers from this crew here who have to believe that there is a list consisting of Defkalion, Rossi, Brillioun and now Piantelli who have all somewhat suddenly made similar scam announcements of impending marketable products.)

I can't think of another instance of multiple scams offering the same kind of new, revolutionary technology - and all raising plenty of capital to develop products.

[kublikhan]

You sir, are truly the most "neutral news reporter" I have ever seen. I admire how you are able to approach the topic in such a balanced manner. And also, not resorting to petty name calling. Good job sir.