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LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 3 (merged)

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LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 09:58:49

Energy Catalyzer
Wikipedia / scraped June 5, 2011

it is not cold fusion
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Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 10:02:07

We don't know what it is. :?:
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Unread postby bratticus » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 12:25:11

bratticus-non-existent-rhetorical-sock-puppet-account wrote:Why isn't LERN Cold Fusion?

I'm glad you asked. The human mind, or brain or whatever loves to categorize especially in ways that defy logical explanation. If LENR is categorized as the same thing as cold fusion why aren't motion pictures called "rapid monotonically-sequenced slide shows"?

By pushing LENR into the category of "cold fusion" the presenter falls victim to a logical fallacy: poisoning the well. Since cold fusion has been disgraced creating this association transfers the stigma to LENR effortlessly.
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Unread postby bratticus » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 12:32:52

bratticus-non-existent-rhetorical-sock-puppet-account wrote:But don't experts claim it's fusion?

Oh, only if you really want to believe they do. If you spend even the smallest amount of time looking at it you see otherwise.
NASA’s Bushnell: LENR Most Promising Energy Alternative, and It’s Not Fusion
Steven B. Krivit / June 1, 2011


Broadcast Date: April 23, 2011
Interview of: Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist of NASA Langley
Host: J. William Moore
Transcribed by: Steven B. Krivit

... BUSHNELL: Also, all of the fusion theorists came out and said absolutely “This is not fusion.” And, of course, they were exactly correct, this is not fusion.
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Unread postby bratticus » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 12:43:52

bratticus-non-existent-rhetorical-sock-puppet-account wrote:Isn't "cold fusion" just some sort of euphemism that someone would use to help people feel familiar with LENR?

Does that make it right to do considering the logical fallacy you foist onto others in the process?
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Unread postby bratticus » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 12:45:04

bratticus-non-existent-rhetorical-sock-puppet-account wrote:Why do people let moderators get away with doing things like that?

I don't.
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LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 23:40:17

Rune wrote:I've never heard anyone around here try to explain why there ARE suddenly a proliferation of LENR scams that have hit the energy scene... WHY they are finding funding...
Sort of like a "gold rush" where there are several prospectors hyping their Eldorado mother-lode bonanzas. You might not take one company seriously, but several constantly dropping hints about "independent assays", etc. creates a "buzz" that suckers in gullible investors.
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They seem to believe that if they say "Bakken, Brazil, offshore, tar sands, technology" enough times in a row, it will make $100-a-barrel oil go away.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Prune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 00:42:59

http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61&start=10
Woomera wrote:
G'Day Nichoman,

My overall opinion of Defkalion is like NASA's; "Staff members of Defkalion that I spoke with do not appear to be fabricating information for a show. What they talked to me about and the answers they gave me to my questions seemed to be based on experience that they have gained through trial and error with many different aspects of this technology."

The problem with the US was that they wanted a contract written that certain entities (not hard to guess) couldn't have access to this technology. This runs counter to everything Defkalion wants to do with this product. They balked at even the idea. Good on 'em. I wish the 'pollies' in the States would pull their heads out of their bums.

I now live in the Middle-East. For now, I've given Oz the 'flick'. The current government leaders used to call each other 'Comrade'. Until there is a bit of political tidial change in Australia, I'm bowing out for now. I want to keep the $$ I earn and not give it to a bunch of dead-beat 'drongos', like the current government in Australia currently does. I was last taxed on my income at 45%, on top of a 10% GST in Australia. This doesn't even include all the hidden taxes and tarriffs. For instance, everything from the States, is twice the price as you would find in the US. Go figure? In the Middle East, it's the same price as the States.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Prune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 01:08:08

Rossi's Italian Financial and Environmental Criminal History

Of the 105 articles listed below, we have made English translations of exceprts from three of them:

May 23, 1997: "Tax Evasion, Forged Invoices: Andrea Rossi Sentenced to 2 Years 8 Months."

March 28, 1996: "Sentence Doubled for Rossi - Omar Toxic Waste."

March 29, 1995: "Andrea Rossi Arrested in Monza: Tax Fraud and False Billing. Toxic Waste, Illegal Gold. Inventor of “Waste to Oil” Formula Jailed.” Recently Formed Trafficking Ring, A Successful Collaboration of International Accomplices.


Nov. 27, 2004 , Pg. 54
Riciclaggio Rifiuti Tossici Assolto Andrea Rossi
Il Pm Aveva Chiesto La Condanna A 3 Anni E Mezzo Silvia Ferretto: Chi Inquina La Fa Franca

Andrea Rossi Acquitted of Recycling Toxic Waste
Prosecutor Asked for 3.5 Year Sentence. Silvia Ferretto: Polluter Goes Free.

Oct. 19, 2003 , Pg. 50
L' ESEMPIO
Le Aziende Pagano Parte Dei Danni Della Petrol Dragon
Andrea Rossi Garantiva Di Trasformare Le Scorie Dei Suoi Depositi In Carburante

The Example
Corporations pay part of compensation for Petrol Dragon
Andrea Rossi Guarantees to Turn Rest of Toxic Waste Into Fuel.

Oct. 20, 2000 , Pg. 48
Sosteneva Di Avere La Formula Per Trasformare Rifiuti In «Oro Nero», È Riuscito Soltanto A Provocare Un Disastro Ambientale
Condannato A Otto Anni Il "Mago Del Petrolio"
Costa Cara Ad Andrea Rossi La Bancarotta Della Raffineria Di Lacchiarella Trasformata In Deposito Di Liquami Tossici Nei Serbatoi Della Omar 57 Mila Tonnellate Di Veleni La Bonifica È Costata Più Di Trenta Miliardi

Claimed he had the Formula to Transform Toxic Waste Into Black Gold, Only Succeeded in Causing Environmental Disaster
“ Oil Wizard” sentenced to 8 years
Expenses Enough to Bankrupt Lacchiarella Refinery - Omar Turned Into Warehouse of Tanks Holding 57 Thousand Tons of Toxic Waste - Reclamation Costs More Than 30 Billion

June 1, 2000 , Pg. 49
Latitante Negli Usa Dopo Aver Abbandonato Tonnellate Di Veleni A Lacchiarella
In Cella Il "Mago Del Petrolio"
Andrea Rossi Arrestato A Roma Per Il Crac Della Raffineria Omar

Fugitive in the United States After Abandoning Hazardous Waste in Lacchiarella.
“ Oil Wizard” jailed.
Andrea Rossi Arrested in Rome for Financial Collapse of Omar Refinery

March 23, 2000 , Pg. 51
Le Notizie
Giustizia Bloccata A Monza. Fermi Cinquemila Processi

The News
Justice Comes to a Halt in Monza. Five Thousand Cases on Hold

July 4, 1999 , Pg. 50
Concentrazione Di Veleni
Grandi Pulizie Nel Lambro
Sara' Risanata La "Pozza Nera" Di Cascina Gazzera A Cerro La Regione Ha Stanziato 56 Miliardi Di Lire Per Bonificare Le Rive Del Fiume Minate Dal Deposito Abusivo Di Melme Acide

Concentration of Toxic Waste
Spring Cleaning the Lambro River
Reclaiming “Black Pool” of Pollution in the Cascina Gazzera Region - The Regional Government has Allocated 56 Billion to Clean Riverbanks of Illegally Dumped Toxic Sludge

Feb. 19, 1999 , Pg. 49
Le Notizie
Nuovo Processo Per Andrea Rossi

The News
New Trial for Andrea Rossi

Oct. 30, 1998 , Pg. 51
Il Giudice Sospende La Causa Da 70 Miliardi Per I Veleni Industriali Stoccati Dalla Petrol Dragon
"Omar, Complici In Regione "
Le Aziende Chiamate A Risarcire La Bonifica Vogliono Un' Inchiesta I Difensori: Non Esistono Responsabilita' Dei Clienti Il Sindaco: Daremo Le Prove

Magistrate Postpones Judgment of 70 Billion [Lire] for Storage of Toxic Waste by Petrol Dragon
“ Omar, Accomplices in Region”
Companies Requested to Pay for Reclamation Call for Inquiry
Defendants: We are not Responsible. Plaintiff: Provide Evidence

Oct. 27, 1998 , Pg. 51
Lacchiarella, Prime Offerte Di Accordo Nella Causa Da 70 Miliardi Contro Trecento Aziende, Curatore Fallimentare
Petrol Dragon, Pagano I Clienti
I Produttori Dei Veleni Disposti A Contribuire Alla Bonifica Completato In Anticipo Lo Smaltimento Delle 60 Mila Tonnellate Di Rifiuti. L' Ex Raffineria All' Asta Come Risarcimento

Lacchiarella, 300 Companies Pay First Offer On 70 Billion Judgment
Petrol Dragon, Paying Customers
Producers of Toxic Waste Contribute Toward Recovery and Clean-Up Costs of Disposal of 60,000 Tons of Toxic Waste. Former Refinery Being Auctioned as Compensation Toward Expenses.

Oct. 23, 1998 , Pg. 49
Due Anni Di Lavoro E Quaranta Miliardi Per Svuotare Le Cisterne Dei Veleni Stoccati Da Andrea Rossi
Lacchiarella, Fine Dell' Incubo
Conclusa La Bonifica Dell' Ex Omar, Domenica Il Paese Fa Festa

Two Years of Work and 40 Billion to Clean Toxic Waste Storage Area of Andrea Rossi.
Lacchiarella, The Nightmare is Over
Clean-up of former Omar Refinery is Complete, Region Will Celebrate on Sunday

July 19, 1998 , Pg. 41
I Liquami Tossici Finiti Nel Ticinello
Inquinamento All' Ex Omar Due Tecnici Sotto Inchiesta

Toxic Sludge Ended Up in Ticinello
Two Former Omar Technicians Under Investigation

June 30, 1998 , Pg. 50
Sara' Finito Entro Un Mese Lo Smaltimento Delle 57 Mila Tonnellate Di Liquami A Lacchiarella
Serbatoi Ripuliti Alla Omar, Ora Tocca Al Terreno

Disposal of 57 Thousand Tons of Liquid Waste in Lacchiarella Will Be Completed in a Month
Omar Storage Tanks Cleaned, To Be Demolished

May 12, 1998 , Pg. 48
Accertato Che Non Ci Sono Perdite Dai Serbatoi, Qualcuno Il 10 Aprile Ha Aperto Volontariamente Le Valvole
Ecovandali A Lacchiarella
La Asl Conferma: Un Sabotaggio La Fuga Di Veleni Alla Omar Le Cisterne Riempite D' Acqua Hanno Tenuto Sotto Accusa La Sorveglianza

Verified That There Were No Leaks in Storage Tanks, Someone Deliberately Opened Valves April 10
Ecovandalism in Lacchiarella
Health Department Confirms: Toxic Leakage From Omar was Sabotage - Tank Filled, Holds Water Kept Under Surveillance

April 16, 1998 , Pg. 51
Da Due Serbatoi Della Ex Raffineria Di Andrea Rossi Sono Uscite 250 Tonnellate Di Scorie Tossiche
Omar, L' Ombra Del Sabotaggio
Il Direttore Della Bonifica Di Lacchiarella: " Non E' Stato Un Incidente " . Nove Anni Fa La Prima " Fuga " Di Liquami Dalle Cisterne

Two Storage Tanks From Former Andrea Rossi Refinery Release 250 Tons of Toxic Sludge
Omar, Shadow of Sabotage
Director of Lacchiarella Clean-up: “No Accident” - First Leak of Toxic Sludge From Tank Was 9 Years Ago

April 15, 1998 , Pg. 49
Disastro Ambientale A Lacchiarella Provocato Dal Deposito Clandestino Di Andrea Rossi
La Maledizione Dell' Omar
Incidente Durante La Bonifica, Cento Tonnellate Di Veleni Nel Ticinello

Environmental Disaster in Lacchiarella Caused by Illegal Storage by Andrea Rossi
The Curse of Omar
Accident During Clean-up, 100 Tons of Toxic Sludge in Ticinello

Feb. 28, 1998 , Pg. 46
Traffico D' Oro. I Complici Di Rossi Patteggiano

Gold Trafficking - Rossi’s Accomplices Strike a Deal

Oct. 11, 1997 , Pg. 51
Inquinamento A Dresano: Comune E Associazioni Ambientaliste Parti Civili
Il Conto Dei Veleni
Chiesti 26 Miliardi Di Danni Alla Petrol Dragon

Pollution in Dresano: Community and Environmental Organizations are Plaintiffs
Being Held Accountable for Poison (Toxic Waste)
Asking Petrol Dragon for 26 Billion in Damages

Sept. 26, 1997 , Pg. 51
Fatture False Andrea Rossi Rinviato A Giudizio

False Invoices - Andrea Rossi Remanded to Trial


Aug. 12, 1997 , Pg. 40
Il Caso Dell' Ex Omar Di Lacchiarella
Petrol Dragon, A Giudizio I Colossi Della Chimica

The Case of Former Omar Refinery in Lacchiarella
Petrol Dragon, A Judgement on the Giants of Chemical Industry


July 9, 1997 , Pg. 45
Processo Omar Petrol Dragon Di Lacchiarella
Raffineria Dei Veleni, Tre Condanne E Area Confiscata

Omar Case Petrol Dragon in Lacchiarella
Toxic Waste Refinery, Three Convictions and Property Seizure

July 4, 1997 , Pg. 51
La " Pentita " Della Omar Petrol Dragon
" Bilanci falsi nella fabbrica dei veleni "

“ The Informer” from Omar Petrol Dragon
“ The False Statements of the Poison Factory”

July 1, 1997 , Pg. 51
Il Giudice Ipoteca L' Ex Omar
Area Sequestrata Per Garantire Il Risarcimento Della Bonifica

Court Seizes Former Omar Refinery
Property Confiscated to Guarantee Compensation for Reclamation

June 11, 1997 , Pg. 49
Al Processo Contro Rossi E Pirani Un Testimone Rivela Che L' Area Fu Ceduta A Un Decimo Del Prezzo Effettivo
" Contratto Fasullo Per La Vendita Dell' Ex Omar Petrol Dragon "

At Rossi and Pirani Trial - Witness Reveals That Property was Sold for a Tenth of the Actual Price “ Phoney Sales Contract for Former Omar Petrol Dragon Refinery”

June 5, 1997 , Pg. 50
PROCESSO RINVIATO
Veleni Della " Petrol Dragon " Dresano Chiede Il Risarcimento

Trial Postponed
Dresano Requests Compensation for “Petrol Dragon” Toxins

May 24, 1997 , Pg. 51
Rossi Attacca " Io Colpevole? Allora Indagate Sulla Finanza "

Rossi Asserts “Me guilty? I Was Under Arrest on Financial Charges at That Time”

May 23, 1997 Pg. 51 ( Google-English )
Evasione Fiscale
Fatture False: Due Anni E 8 Mesi Ad Andrea Rossi

Tax Evasion
Forged Invoices: Andrea Rossi Sentenced to 2 Years 8 Months

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April 25, 1997 , Pg. 40
Notizie In Breve
Petrol Dragon : Slitta Il Processo A Rossi

News in Brief
Petrol Dragon: Rossi Trial Postponed

April 10, 1997 , Pg. 49
Occorrono Decine Di Miliardi Per La Bonifica: Ministero, Regione, Provincia E Comune Di Lacchiarella Parti Civili
Il "Mago Dei Rifiuti " Ha Preso Il Volo
Processo In Contumacia All' Inventore Del " Refluopetrolio " . Il Giro Dell' Oca Dei Veleni Industriali

We Will Need Tens of Billions for Clean-Up: Say Local and Regional Government -Lacchiarella Plaintiffs
The “Oil Wizard” has Taken Flight
In Absentia Trial Held for Inventor of Petrol Waste Formula. Worldwide Wild Goose Chase for [Perpetrator] of Industrial Poisons.

March 30, 1997 , Pg. 43
Petrol Dragon, Il Conto Ai Clienti
Trecento Aziende Chiamate A Risarcire Miliardi Di Danni All' Ambiente

Petrol Dragon, Accounts Presented by Plaintiffs
300 Companies are Asked to Pay Billions in Damages for Environmental Clean-Up

March 19, 1997 , Pg. 48
Detto E Fatto
Condanna Confermata Alla Petrol Dragon

When All is Said and Done
Petrol Dragon Judgment Upheld

Feb. 15, 1997 , Pg. 49
Andrea Rossi E Tre Soci A Giudizio Per La Vendita Simulata Della Vecchia Petrol Dragon
Ex Omar: Patti Segreti Sull' Area Dei Veleni

Andrea Rossi and Three Colleagues on Trial for Bogus Sale of Petrol Dragon
Secret Pact/Agreement to Sell Former Refinery Property

Oct. 8, 1996 , Pg. 49
Notizie In Breve
Traffico Di Oro, A Giudizio Socio Di Rossi

News in Brief
Gold Trafficking, Trial for Rossi and Partner


Sept. 25, 1996 , Pg. 49
Traffico D' Oro E Frode Fiscale. A Processo Andrea Rossi

Gold Trafficking and Tax Evasion. Trial for Andrea Rossi

Sept. 13, 1996 , Pg. 49
Azione Di Rivalsa Del Comune Che Deve Smaltire 57 Mila Tonnellate Di Rifiuti Abbandonate Da Andrea Rossi
Veleni Omar, Ecco Il Conto
Il Sindaco Di Lacchiarella: Voglio 35 Miliardi Dai Clienti Petrol Dragon

Andrea Rossi Abandons 57 Thousand Tons of Toxic Waste - Local/Regional Government Wants Remuneration
Omar Refinery Waste, What Happened
Government Official Wants 35 Billion from Petrol Dragon

Aug. 8, 1996 , Pg.37
Abbandonati Dalla Ditta Che Prometteva Di Ricavare Petrolio Dai Rifiuti
Alla Pesca Dei Veleni
Iniziato Il Recupero Delle Scorie Dai Serbatoi Dell' Ex Omar

Toxic Waste Abandoned by Company That Promised To Convert Waste to Oil
Fishing For Poison
Clean-up, Recovery of Toxic Sludge From Former Omar Refinery Has Begun

July 14, 1996 , Pg. 37
Disinnescata La " Bomba " Petrol Dragon
Festa Dello Scampato Pericolo A Dresano

Petrol Dragon “Bomb” Defused
Dresano Celebrates Narrow Escape (From Damage by) From Poisonous Waste

July 2, 1996 , Pg. 47
Notizie In Breve
Piano D' Emergenza Per La Petrol Dragon

News in Brief
Disaster Recovery Plan for Petrol Dragon

June 13, 1996 , Pg. 47
Notizie In Breve
Iniziata La Bonifica Dell' Ex Omar

News in Brief
Omar Refinery Clean-up Begins

May 26, 1996 , Pg. 35
Il Comune Di Lacchiarella: " L' Area Sara' Confiscata Come Risarcimento Dei Danni Subiti "
Petrol Dragon, Finisce L' Incubo
Appaltata Per 30 Miliardi La Bonifica Dei Veleni All' Ex Omar

City of Lacchiarella Will Seize Property as Compensation Toward Damages
Petrol Dragon, Ending the Nightmare
30 Billion Appropriated for Clean-up and Recovery of Omar Refinery Toxic Waste

May 21, 1996 , Pg. 49
Le Notizie
Veleni Petrol Dragon, Battaglia Sul Forno

The News
Petrol Dragon Waste, Battle Over Incineration

May 8, 1996 , Pg. 41
Lacchiarella " Si Indaghi Sull' Ex Sindaco "

Lacchiarella “Former Mayor Investigated”

May 1, 1996 , Pg. 39
Bandito L' Appalto Per Lo Smaltimento Delle 58 Mila Tonnellate Di Veleni Stoccate Da Andrea Rossi
Caccia Ai Clienti Petrol Dragon
Il Sindaco Di Lacchiarella: " Ho Dato La Vera Lista Ai Magistrati "

Illegal Disposal Contract for Disposal of 58 Thousand Tons of Toxic Waste Stored by Andrea Rossi
Determining Who Petrol Dragon’s Customers Are
Lacchiarella Mayor: “I Gave an Accurate List to the Court”

April 25, 1996 , Pg. 45
Esposto Di Silvia Ferretto Alla Procura Contro I Responsabili Dello Scandalo Petrol Dragon
I " Fornitori " Eccellenti Della Omar
Andrea Rossi, L' Inventore Del Refluo Greggio, Si Vantava Di Smaltire I Rifiuti Di 20 Colossi Industriali

Prosecutor Silvia Ferretto Exposes Petrol Dragon Perpetrators
The Super “Connections” of Omar. [Word usage of "Connections" - similar to "drug connections"]
Andrea Rossi, Inventor of Raw Waste Formula, Brags About Disposing of Industrial Waste

April 13, 1996 , Pg. 45
Notizie In Breve
Bonifica Dell' Ex OMAR, La Regione Batte Cassa

News in Brief
Regional Government Demands Money for Omar Clean-Up

March 28, 1996 Pg. 49 (Google-English)
Veleni Omar Doppia Condanna Per Rossi

Sentence Doubled for Rossi - Omar Toxic Waste

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March 16, 1996 Pg. 45 ( Google-English )
Veleni Omar. Chiesto Un Anno Per Rossi

1 Year Requested for Rossi - Omar Toxic Waste

March 13, 1996 , Pg. 43
Petrol Dragon. Silos Di Veleni Sequestrati Nel Cuneese

Petrol Dragon. Toxic Waste Storage Tanks Seized in Cuneo

March 12, 1996 , Pg. 42
Miliardi Per Bloccare La Fuoruscita Di Liquami
Ex Omar, Interviene La Regione

Billions to Stop Liquid Waste Dumping
Regional Government to Intervene - Former Omar Refinery

March 9, 1996 , Pg. 47
Dopo Un Sopralluogo Tecnico Il Sindaco Organizza Un Intervento Immediato E Chiede Aiuto Al Ministero
"Disinnescate La Bomba Omar "
Allarme A Lacchiarella: " Vistose Perdite " Da Quattro Cisterne Di Veleni

Mayor Asks Ministry for Help, Immediate Action After Technical Inspection
“ Diffuse the Bomb that is Omar”
Lacchiarella Alert: Considerable Losses from 4 Toxic Waste Storage Tanks

March 5, 1996 , Pg. 49
DRESANO
Cominciato Il Trasloco Dei Veleni

DRESANO
Transport of Toxic Waste Begins

March 5, 1996 , Pg. 49
Andrea Pirani Arrestato Assieme A Tre Complici Per Un " Buco " Finanziario Di Oltre 10 Miliardi
I Signori Della Bancarotta
Crac A Catena Dietro Il Nuovo Proprietario Della Omar

Over 10 Billion Unaccounted For. Andrea Pirani and 3 Accomplices Arrested.
The Lords of Bankruptcy
Series of Financial Crashes Behind New Omar Refinery Owner

March 3, 1996 , Pg. 47
Svolta Nelle Inchieste Di Monza E Milano, Scoperto Un Patto Segreto Per I Veleni Petrol Dragon
Manette E Sequestri Alla Omar
In Cella Il Nuovo Titolare, Area Sigillata Come " Profitto Di Reato " . Sul Mistero Delle Analisi Indagini Aperte A Monza

Investigations in Milan and Monza Reveal Petrol Dragon Secret Pact
Handcuffs and Seizures for Omar
New Owner in Jail, Property Seized as Criminal Assets. Further Inquiry and Investigations Opened in Monza.

March 1, 1996 , Pg. 47
LEGAMBIENTE CONTRO PETROL DRAGON
"Depositi Tossici, Paghino I Clienti "

Environmental Organization Protests Petrol Dragon
“ Toxic Waste, Companies Must Pay”

Feb. 22, 1996 , Pg. 45
LACCHIARELLA
Il Teste Della Petrol Dragon " La Omar Recuperava I Veleni "

LACCHIARELLA
Expert Witnesses Testify “Omar Recovered Toxic Waste”

Feb. 21, 1996 , Pg. 41
Monza
L' Oro Di Andrea Rossi. Processo A Settembre

Monza
Andrea Rossi’s Gold. September Trial.

Feb. 20, 1996 , Pg. 41
L' Ex Titolare Di Petrol Dragon E Omar Accusato Di Frode Fiscale E False Fatturazioni
Andrea Rossi, Gioielli E Guai
Il Gup Decide Sul Rinvio A Giudizio Per I Traffici Miliardari Dell' Oreficeria Saint Andre'

Former Owner of Petrol Dragon and Omar, Accused of Tax Fraud and False Invoicing
Andrea Rossi, Jewelry Troubles

Feb. 18, 1996 , Pg. 37
Il Sud Milano Sollecita La Bonifica Della Omar

South Milan Presses for Urgent Reclamation of Omar

Feb. 14, 1996 , Pg. 43
Alla Cascina Gazzera Di Cerro
Allarme Sul Lambro, Tracce Di Diossina In Una Discarica Abusiva

Cascina Gazzera Region
Alert on the Lambro River, Traces of Dioxin in Illgeal Dump


Feb. 13, 1996 , Pg. 45
Inchiesta Parlamentare Sui Veleni In Lombardia

Government Investigation into Lombardy Toxic Waste

Feb. 8, 1996 , Pg. 39
Lacchiarella Protesta " Via I Veleni Della Omar "

Citizens of Lacchiarella Protest “Move the Omar Toxic Waste”

Feb. 4, 1996 , Pg. 37
Veleni A Dresano. Pronto Il Piano Di Evacuazione

Toxic Waste in Dresano. Emergency Evacuation Plan.

Feb. 1, 1996 , Pg. 35
Rossi Sfida L' Accusa: " Posso Portare In Aula Un Mini Distillatore Di Vetro "
"Raffineria Di Veleni "
Il Consulente Della Procura Boccia L' Impianto Petrol Dragon

Rossi Challenges the Charges: “Can I Have a Model Distillery in the Courtroom”
“ Toxic Refinery”
Attorney’s Expert says Petrol Dragon System Fails

Jan. 29, 1996 , Pg. 29
LETTERE E IDEE
Attivita' Di Consulente

LETTERS AND IDEAS
The Consultant’s Job, His Duties


Jan. 18, 1996 , Pg. 45
La " Fabbrica Del Petrolio " A Lacchiarella
Alla Sbarra Il " Mago " Dei Rifiuti

The “Oil Making Factory” in Lacchiarella
“ Oil Wizard” on Trial

Jan. 16, 1996 , Pg. 43
Iniziativa Della Commissione Parlamentare D' Inchiesta Sulla Bonifica Dei Rifiuti Petrol Dragon
"Confisca Per Gli Avvelenatori "
Il Condono Edilizio " Grimaldello " Contro L' Ex Omar Di Lacchiarella


Results of Government Inquiry Into Waste Recovery of Petrol Dragon
“ Forfeiture for Perpetrators of Toxic Waste”
Amnesty [Ended] on Infringement of Regulations For Former Omar Refinery in Lacchiarella

Jan. 14, 1996 , Pg. 39
Secondo I Tecnici Occorrono Subito 12 Miliardi Per Scongiurare Esplosioni E L' Inquinamento Della Falda
Raffineria Omar, " Doccia " Di Veleni
Prime Crepe Nei Depositi Abusivi Della Petrol Dragon A Lacchiarella : Otto I Serbatoi A Rischio

Technical Witnesses State Only 12 Billion Needed to Prevent Explosion and Contamination of Ground Water
Omar Refinery, “Stream of Toxins”

Jan. 10, 1996 , Pg. 37
Campagna Di An Contro I Depositi Abusivi Di Rifiuti Tossici: " Espropriare Le Industrie Inquinanti "
Cento " Bombe " Ambientali
"A Rischio Anche L' Area Leoncavallo " , Ma L' Usl Smentisce La Regione. La Mappa. Emergenza Nel Milanese

Campaign Against Storage of Toxic Waste: “Stop Industries That Pollute”
Complete Environmental “Bomb”
“ Leoncavallo Region Also at Risk,” but Health Department Refutes the Region/Area. The Map. Milan has State of Emergency

Nov. 30, 1995 , Pg. 47
Il Nuovo Proprietario Dell' Ex Omar. " Paghero' Un Quarto Della Bonifica "

New Owner of Former Omar Refinery. “I Will Pay One Fourth of Recovery Costs”


Nov. 28, 1995 , Pg. 47
BONIFICA EX ICEP
Dresano, 6 Mesi Di Lavoro Per Uscire Dall' Eco Incubo

Recovery ICEP
Dresano, Six Months of Clean-Up to Get Out of Environmental Nightmare

Nov. 25, 1995 , Pg. 49
Mentre La Commissione Ambiente Della Regione " Visita " L' Ex Raffineria Di Andrea Rossi A Lacchiarella
Mare Di " Petrolio " , Da Buttare
Parte La Bonifica Dei Depositi, Piano D' Emergenza A Dresano

Environmental Commission Tours Andre Rossi’s Former Refinery in Lacchiarella
Sea of Oil, Evacuation
Part of the Recovery of Storage Tanks, Emergency Plan in Dresano

Nov. 19, 1995 , Pg. 41
I Cittadini Chiedono Alla Regione Che Il Risanamento Del Deposito Abusivo Sia Pagato Dall' Ex Petrol Dragon
Lacchiarella Rifiuta Il Baratto
"No Alla Bonifica Dei Veleni Omar In Cambio Dell' Interporto "

Citizens Ask That the Illegal Toxic Waste Storage Area be Paid For by Petrol Dragon
Lacchiarella Refuses to Bargain
“ No Recovery of Omar Toxic Waste in Exchange for Freight Transport”

Nov. 12, 1995 , Pg. 41
Via I Veleni Di Dresano. Appalto Per La Bonifica


Moving the Toxic Waste of Dresano. Contract Awarded for Clean-Up.

Nov. 11, 1995 , Pg. 47
La Societa' S' Impegna A Bonificare Il Deposito Dei Veleni Omar A Lacchiarella
Interporto, " Benefattore Ecologico "

Company Undertakes Recovery and Clean-up of Omar Toxic Waste Storage Area in Lacchiarella
Freight Company, “We Are Environmentally Friendly”

Sept. 26, 1995 , Pg. 49
Nelle Cisterne Sono Stoccate Abusivamente 18 Mila Tonnellate Di Liquami Tossici E Nocivi
"Disinnescate Quella Bomba ": Ultimatum Al Governo Di 23 Sindaci Contro I Veleni Di Dresano

18,000 Tons of Toxic Sludge Illegally Stored in Tanks is Dangerous
“ Diffuse the Bomb”: Coalition of 23 Mayors Gives Prime Minister Ultimatum on Toxic Waste in Dresano

Aug. 4, 1995 , Pg. 36
Ambiente E Polemiche
Dresano, E' Emergenza Continua

Environmental Controversy
Emergency Exists in Dresano

July 29, 1995 , Pg. 11
NOINDC

July 23, 1995 , Pg. 30
Soluzione In Arrivo Dopo I Veti Incrociati
Assessorato All' Ecologia. Duello Centola Ganapini

Solution in the Pipeline After Vetoes
Authority Over Environment. Centola fights Ganapini

July 22, 1995 , Pg. 31
Appello Di Palazzo Isimbardi Al Governo: " Bonificate I Silos Petrol Dragon "
Un Commissario Per Le Scorie Di Dresano

Appeal to Head of Government: “Clean up Petrol Dragon Storage Tanks”
Appoint a Commissioner Over the Toxic Sludge in Dresano

July 12, 1995 , Pg. 36
I Verdi Denunciano: " Ora Bisognera' Sventrare Chilometri Di Carreggiata E Bonificare Tutto: Chi Paghera' ? "
Veleni Nascosti Sotto L' Asfalto
Cinquantamila Tonnellate Di Scorie Tossiche Usate Per Lastricare Le Strade Del Pavese

The Green Party Charges/Reports: “Now It’s Necessary to Demolish and Clean-Up Miles of Paved Roads: Who Will Pay?”
Toxic Waste Buried Under the Asphalt
50,000 Tons of Toxic Sludge Used to Pave the Streets of Pavia

July 8, 1995 , Pg. 39
Il Sindaco Boccia Il Progetto D' Un Inceneritore Per Bonificare 56 Mila Tonnellate Di Scorie
Lacchiarella, Oasi Avvelenata
I Rifiuti Petrol Dragon Soffocano Il Gioiello Del Parco Sud

Mayor Rejects Proposal to Clean-Up 56 Thousand Tons of Toxic Sludge With Incinerator
Lacchiarella, An Oasis Poisoned
Petrol Dragon Waste Smothers the Jewell of South Park

July 7, 1995 , Pg. 44
Rifiuti Tossici A Pavia Sviluppi Nelle Indagini

New Developments in Toxic Waste Investigation in Pavia

July 5, 1995 , Pg. 38
Dresano
I Veleni Petrol Dragon Smaltiti Dalla Regione

Dresano
Petrol Dragon Waste Disposal by Regional Authorities

June 2, 1995 , Pg. 47
Dresano
Veleni All' Ex Petrol Dragon La Regione Paga La Bonifica

Dresano
Governement Pays for Recovery of Petrol Dragon Toxic Waste

May 24, 1995 , Pg 43
Truffa Dei Metalli Preziosi Arresti Domiciliari A Rossi

Precious Metals Scam - Rossi Under House Arrest

April 6 , 1995 Pg. 49 ( English )
Si Moltiplicano I Guai Dell' Imprenditore Passato Dal Traffico Di Rifiuti A Quello Di Metalli Preziosi
Manette Bis Per Andrea Rossi
La Procura Di Ariano Irpino Accusa L' Inventore Del " Refluo Petrolio " Di Riciclaggio Di Denaro Sporco. Ricercato Il Corriere Della Banda Che Avrebbe Trasferito Con Furgoni Blindati Oltre 2 Tonnellate D' Oro

Trouble Mounts for Entrepreneur - From Gold Trafficking to Toxic Waste to Precious Metals
Handcuffs Again for Andrea Rossi
Ariano Irpino Prosecutor Accuses The Inventor of Oil Formula of Illegal Money Laundering. Mob Driver of Armored Car Wanted - Would Have Transported Over 2 Tons of Gold

March 30, 1995 , Pg. 49
Michele Pizzato Avrebbe Lasciato Un " Buco " Di Decine Di Miliardi All' Ambro Bank Di Chiasso
Oro Sporco, Doppia Inchiesta: Era Ricercato Anche In Svizzera Il Socio Di Andrea Rossi

Michele Pizzato Would Have Left Over 10 Billion Unaccounted for from Ambro Bank of Chiasso
Illegal Gold, Concurrent Investigation: Andrea Rossi’s Partner Wanted in Switzerland

March 29, 1995 , Pg. 45
Accusato Di False Fatturazioni E Frode Fiscale Il Discusso Imprenditore Passato Dai Rifiuti Ai Gioielli
Dall' Inventore Eredita' Di Veleni

Tre Comuni Alle Prese Con I Liquami Immagazzinati Dall' Uomo Che Voleva Trasformarli In Petrolio. Adesso Andrea Rossi E' In Carcere E La Provincia Si Chiede: " Chi Paghera' La Bonifica Degli Impianti? "

Accused of False Invoicing, Tax Evasion, Conspiracy, Former Entrepreneur - From Trash to Jewels
Inventor’s Legacy of Poison

Three Communities Deal with Warehouses of Liquid Waste Left by Man Who Would Turn it Into Oil. Andrea Rossi Jailed and the Province Wants to Know: “Who Will Pay the Costs to Begin Recovery?”


March 29, 1995 , Pg. 11
Arrestato A Monza Andrea Rossi: Frode Fiscale Nel Commercio Di Preziosi
Dai Rifiuti All' Oro Sporco. In Carcere L' Inventore Del " Refluo Petrolio " Recentemente Aveva Lanciato L' Anello Con Il " Semaforo " Dell' Amore : Un Successo. Un Giro Di Complicita' Internazionali

Andrea Rossi Arrested in Monza: Tax Fraud and False Billing
Toxic Waste, Illegal Gold. Inventor of “Waste to Oil” Formula Jailed”
Recently Formed Trafficking Ring, A Successful Collaboration of International Accomplices.

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March 28, 1995 , Pg. 45
A Rischio I Serbatoi Riempiti 8 Anni Fa Da Andrea Rossi, L' Uomo Che Voleva Ricavare Petrolio Dalle Scorie
Marcia Contro I Silos Bomba

Ventimila Tonnellate Di Liquami Tossici, Dresano In Prefettura

At Risk - Tanks Filled 8 Years go by Andrea Rossi, The Man Who Wanted to Make Oil From Sludge
Demonstration Against the Storage Tank Time Bombs

20,000 Tons of Liquid Toxic Sludge in Dresano

March 28, 1995 , Pg. 45
IL PERSONAGGIO
L' " Inventore " Si E' Riciclato: Dai Rifiuti All' Oro

The Personality
Inventor Recycled: From Trash to Gold

March, 7, 1995 , Pg. 49
DRESANO
Allarme Del Sindaco " Bomba Ecologica "

Mayor Cautions “Ecological Bomb”

April 2, 1994 , Pg. 40
Pugno Di Ferro Della Regione Contro La " PETROL DRAGON "
La Regione Chiesto Il Blocco Della Fidejussione Di 476 Milioni Versata Da Andrea Rossi All' Inizio Dell' Attivita' Della PETROL DRAGON E Ordinata Una Nuova Bonifica Dell' Area Inquinata A Caponago

Regional Government Iron Fisted Against PETROL DRAGON
The government asks for Andrea Rossi Guarantee to be Blocked for New Clean-Up - of Activities of PETROL DRAGON - New Polluted Area Disovered in Caponago

April 1, 1994 , Pg. 42
Accusato D' Inquinare La Falda Il " Produttore " Di Petrolio
Per Rossi Andrea, Ex Amministratore Della PETROL DRAGON, E Reale Alessandro, Attuale Liquidatore Dell' Industria Di Caponago, Sono Stati Ipotizzati I Reati Di Smaltimento Abusivo Di Rifiuti Tossico Nocivi E Avvelenamento Di Acqua Di Falda

Oil Producer Accused of Polluting Ground Water
Andrea Rossi, former Director of PETROL DRAGON and Allesandro Reale, Current Bankruptcy Liquidation Adminisrator, Prosecutor Hypothesizes That Waste was Illegaly Disposed and Resulted in Lead Contaminated Ground Water

March 9, 1994 , Pg. 41
Petrolio Dai Rifiuti? Inservibile E Tossico: La Regione Ha Ordinato La Chiusura Degli Stabilimenti Della PETROL DRAGON E La Revoca Delle Autorizzazioni Alla Raccolta E Allo Stoccaggio Dei Rifiuti Tossico Nocivi. Il Proprietario Andrea Rossi Era L' Inventore Del Brevetto Per Trasformare I Rifiuti Tossici In Petrolio Greggio
Oil from Waste? Toxic and Unusable: The Regional Government has Ordered the Closure of the Petrol Dragon Plant and Revoked Permits for the Collection and Storage of Toxic Waste. Owner Andrea Rossi was the Inventor of a Forumula That Would Tranform Toxic Waste to Crude Oil.

Dec. 17, 1993 , Pg. 49
Un Mare Di Veleno: Da Martedi' L' Ex Raffineria Omar Di Lacchiarella E' Sotto Sequestro: Secondo L' Accusa Dal 1989 Ad Oggi Sarebbe Diventata Il Deposito Per Lo Smaltimento Di Rifiuti Tossici Provenienti Dalla PETROL DRAGON

A Sea of Poison: Former Omar Refinery in Lacchiarella Seized on Tuesday: Second Charge Since 1989 - Would Become Storage Area of Toxic Waste from PETROL DRAGON

April 1, 1993 , Pg. 5
Nei Guai Colucci, Questore Della Camera: Raggiunto Da Informazione Di Garanzia Il Deputato Socialista Colucci Francesco 61 Anni: E' Accusato Di Aver Preteso Una Tangente Da 400 Milioni Dall' Industriale Milanese Notari Luigi Per Evitare Un Accertamento Fiscale

Colucci in Trouble, House Commissioner: Socialist Party Representative Francesco Colucci, 61 Years Old: Accused of Demanding 400 MIllion Bribe from Milan Industrialist Luigi Notari, for Notari to not Undergo Tax Audit

March 24, 1993 Pg. 45 ( Google-English )
Pretura Processo. Sentenza
" Petrolio " Dai Rifiuti. Industriale Condannato
8 Mesi Di Reclusione E 3 Milioni Di Ammenda A Rossi Andrea 43 Anni Amministratore Delegato Della PETROLDRAGON E Della OMAR

Trial Court Judgement
“ Oil From Waste” Refinery Director Sentenced
8 Months of Incarceration and 3 Million in Fines for Andrea Rossi, 43 Year Old Director Of Petrol Dragon and Omar Refinery

April 12, 1992 Pg. 37 ( Google-English )
Dai Rifiuti Benzina E Guai
4 Mesi All' Inventore Del Petrolio " Autarchico " . Andrea Rossi Amministratore Della PETROL DRAGON Di Caponago Colpevole Di Trasporto E Stoccaggio, Cade L' Accusa Di Smaltimento Abusivo

From Waste and Gas to Trouble
In 4 Months - Inventor of Oil "Autocracy" Andrea Rossi, Director of PETROL DRAGON, Found Guilty on Charges of Illegal Transport, Storage and Disposal of Toxic Waste

March 22, 1992 Pg. 31 ( Google-English )
PETROL DRAGON
Sentenza L' 11 Aprile Per Andrea Rossi E Di Altri 5 Imputati

PETROL DRAGON
Judge Will Rule on April 11th - Andrea Rossi and 5 Other Defendants

March 13, 1992 , Pg. 49
Pretura Processo
Processo PETROL DRAGON. Richiesta L' Assoluzione
Rossi Andrea E' Accusato Di Trasporto, Stoccaggio E Smaltimento Abusivo Di Rifiuti Tossici Nocivi

Trial Court
Petrol Dragon Trial. Attorney for Defendants Moves for Acquittal
Andrea Rossi Accused of Transporting, Storage and Illegal Disposal of Toxic Waste

Feb. 28, 1992 , Pg. 41
Processo Pretura
" Solo Scorie Tossiche Alla Petrol Dragon "
Chiesta Dal Pubblico Ministero La Condanna A 16 Mesi Di Andrea Rossi. Rifiuti

Trial Court
“ Only Thing From Petrol Dragon is Toxic Sludge”
Prosecutor Asks for 16 Month Sentence for Andrea Rossi.

Jan. 14, 1992 , Pg. 39
Rinvio A Giudizio
Fatturazioni False Alla Petrol Dragon
Compariranno In Aula Il Prossimo 21 Gennaio Accusati Di Frode Fiscale L' Industriale Andrea Rossi 41 Anni, Giovanni Madonnini 51 Anni, Elio Gambini 43 Anni E Vittorio Valvassori 50 Anni

Indictment
False Invoicing from Petrol Dragon
Appearing in Court on January 21st on Charges of Tax Evasion - Andrea Rossi, 41 - Giovanni Madonnini, 51 - Elio Gambini, 43 - Vittorio Valvassori, 50


Jan. 8, 1992 , Pg. 31
Rinvio A Giudizio
PETROL DRAGON: Per Il Titolare Guai In Irpinia
Con Rossi Andrea Rinviate A Giudizio Altre 8 Persone; Grazie A Un Giro Di False Fatture Avrebbe Avuto Un Contributo Doppio ( Legge Sul Terremoto ) Per Realizzare Uno Stabilimento Al Sud

Indictment
PETROL DRAGON: Trouble for Owner in Irpinia
Andrea Rossi Indicted with 8 people; Charges of False Invoicing
Facing Double Punishment (By Decree of Law Concerning Environmetal Damages)
For Building Plant in the South

La Repubblica, July 26, 1989

Italian Headline: Storia Di Rifiuti Tossici Miliardi E Supertruffe

English Translation: A tale of toxic waste, billions [Lira], and mega-scams

Excerpt:
Fatte le analisi è risultato che la sostanza è un miscuglio di rifiuti tossici non trattati contenenti solventi chimici altamente dannosi e con accentuata presenza di cloro e acido solforico. Insomma una vera e propria bomba altamente pericolosa. Ma sembra che ci sia di più. In almeno uno dei depositi sarebbero state trovate tracce di diossina, il pericolosissimo veleno della tragedia di Seveso.

Excerpt:
After chemical analysis, it turns out that the substance is a mix of untreated toxic waste which contain highly dangerous chemical solvents with high presence of chlorine and sulphuric acid. In sum, a true bomb, highly dangerous. It seems that there is more. In at least one of the deposits, there appear to have been found traces of dioxin, the very dangerous poison of the Seveso tragedy.

La Repubblica, Sept. 11, 1988
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby diemos » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 08:50:45

Rune wrote:You say absolutely nothing new.


Pot. Kettle. Black.

Rune wrote:However, Rossi is only one player in an ever-expanding LENR story which now has 6 different companies vying for commercialization and a market for their products.


It might help their product "vie" for the market if they actually had one. :roll:

Does it just never occur to you that if they had something that worked the world would be beating a path to their door?
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 14:51:19

diemos wrote:Does it just never occur to you that if they had something that worked the world would be beating a path to their door?


That wouldn't happen until products are for sale - obviously.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Prune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 15:12:38

No products for sale.
They have some lovely licenses for sale though :-D

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory

We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

Rights & Subsidiaries
The global demand of this technology and its applied industrialized products is very large. We are already faced with more demand than our current factories' total capacity can meet. The challenge of DGT is to provide efficient access of this technology to as many markets as possible. To this end, DGT has opted to issue distribution rights and production licenses on a global scale, both exclusively and not.

Company Structure
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus. It owns full rights to its own technologies and will sell exclusive rights globally for the production of its proprietary products (Hyperion).

Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. is based in Greece. It is the first license holder acting as a show case for international partners and producing Hyperion to supply the Greek market.

In-so-doing, Defkalion shall become an international supplier of innovative patented technology producing cheap and clean thermal energy, offering significant improvements in energy costs and energy sustainability through applications ranging from households, light industry and even to utility providers.


Ooooh!

Which one should I choose?

Andrea Rossi
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM
IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy:
Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial licenses.
We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo.
When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to the proper licensee.
All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request and a description of their organization to:
info@leonardocorp1996.com
I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are:
1- Russia
2- Japan
We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license.
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi
CEO of Leonardo Corp.

That sounds nice too....

Any more to choose from? [smilie=happy8.gif]
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Prune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 15:35:17

Brillouin’s revenue model is fee based. The plan centers on a strategy of global licensing and royalties. Qualified manufacturing firms would pay annual license fees and a percentage of sales on products using the technology. Markets will be addressed by segment:
Geographical Region
Application: hot water, steam heat, process heat
End User: residential, commercial, industrial
Thermal Output: Lowest Power to 600 Watts, Low Power 600 to 1 Kilowatt, Mid Power 1 Kilowatt to 500 Kilowatts, High Power Over 500 Kilowatts.
The US commercial boiler market is $1.1 billion and growing. The business model addresses the market by providing economic and environmentally sustainable solutions. The technology provides heat on demand with out emissions and avoids other costs associated with fossil fuels. Brillouin’s value proposition eliminates need for fuel purchases.

Brillouin has entered into its first international licensing agreement covering three nations and is involved in on-going negotiations for other potential international partners.


Oooh!
That sounds nice too.
Emma Chisit? :roll:
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 16:41:38

Prune wrote:No products for sale.
They have some lovely licenses for sale though

Einstein, you cannot sell products without proper governmental certifications and authorizations. The legal powers of "Licensing" are defined by lawmakers. The idea of buying uncertified, unapproved licenses to sell consumer products is ridiculous - because the designations lof "licenser or "licensee" are contingent upon well-standardized procedures and legal requirements for becoming a "licenser". Even if the technology and equipment is completely real and does exist in factory-ready form, without certifications no one could do any legal business! The proper certifications HAVE to be there. Contractual arrangements for licensers/licensees are standard since this sort of thing is done all the time for a variety of consumer products. In order to be a legally a licenser, you have to have an approved consumer product. Similarly, in order to be a legal licensee, a government approved consumer product must actually exist.

If an entity interested in eventually becoming a licensee sent money to an uncertified, unapproved company, they couldn't be called a "licensee". If the money were accepted, they would have to be a called a "venture capitalist" or an "investor" because they would be betting that the consumer product would eventually be licensed by the government - and so the "Licensee" title could then be applied legally to the investing entity - who would have specified these terms in the original investment agreement contract.

It's embarrassing to have to explain repeatedly these basic realities of doing business to you. This is something that is obvious to anyone except the brainiacs on PO.com.

Any legal entity can be a venture capitalist. You just have to assume the risk of loss. There is nothing wrong with this. It's how the world works. However, none of these companies are asking for VC funds from ordinary mom & pop investors. All of them appear to be capitalized well from professional VC's - whether they be corporations, the military, hedge funds, private investment groups or perhaps wealthy individuals. There does not appear to be any shortage of interest in LENR by these groups.

The investment capital raised by these competing LENR companies is not at all high relative to many other VC projects. These LENR companies are raising VC funds measured in the low millions - chicken scratch, really.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Prune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 17:24:46

Rune wrote: However, none of these companies are asking for VC funds from ordinary mom & pop investors. All of them appear to be capitalized well from professional VC's - whether they be corporations, the military, hedge funds, private investment groups or perhaps wealthy individuals. There does not appear to be any shortage of interest in LENR by these groups.


Do you have any idea how many "mom & pop" investors were damaged by Bernie Madoff's little scheme?
Where do you think the hedge funds etc get their money from.
Just like the Madoff Ponzi scheme, fund managers are quite prepared to gamble other peoples money in return for an immediate commission on the funds invested.
If the promised return is high enough and the flim-flam is glossy enough then plenty of fund managers would fall for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
I doubt that many fund managers have much of an understanding of noocular science [smilie=eusa_sick.gif] [smilie=eusa_whistle.gif]
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 20:06:29

Rune wrote:In order to be a legally a licenser, you have to have an approved consumer product. Similarly, in order to be a legal licensee, a government approved consumer product must actually exist.
AFAIK, these are just private business contracts. Can you give any reference to these laws you claim to exist?
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 20:43:18

Keith_McClary wrote:
Rune wrote:In order to be a legally a licenser, you have to have an approved consumer product. Similarly, in order to be a legal licensee, a government approved consumer product must actually exist.
AFAIK, these are just private business contracts. Can you give any reference to these laws you claim to exist?


The Consumer Products Safety Act or it foreign equivalent.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 21:07:23

I wonder if Rossi will be able to slip his self destruct feature by the Consumer Products Safety Act.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 21:24:26

kublikhan wrote:I wonder if Rossi will be able to slip his self destruct feature by the Consumer Products Safety Act.


If it's given a green safety light by government authorities, then sure it would.

Any consumer product that utilizes a "nuclear" process would be regulated by government. Any person or company interested in becoming a licensee for a LENR product - whether to manufacture or sell - would be subject to laws pertinent to consumer goods and manufacturing standards. Everyone is familiar with government regulation.

No sales of any kind could take place without these. No potential licensee would throw money away on something that has not been certified and authorized by government. I wonder whether the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in this country might step in at some point and issue its own licensing requirements for LENR devices, if and when they are proven and factory-ready.

Defkalion has collected a list of interested parties to a possible future licensing agreement with them. A month or so ago, they released a notice to these entities informing them that independent testing results were forthcoming in July/August 2012, along with the necessary certifications and authorizations, ...and also the unveiling of an operational, factory-ready prototype LENR device for consumer applications. The notice said that interested parties should begin making more definite plans.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby diemos » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 22:44:17

Hmmm....

You must have missed the news story where rossi admits he has no factory and there is no nuclear reaction in his E-cat.

Odd, since it was pointed out to you multiple times on this very thread. And it was reported on your favorite site for baseless claims of cold fusion, pesn.

http://pesn.com/2012/03/11/9602054_Ross ... Reactions/

So ... no nuclear licensing required at all.
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