When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 2(merged)

[seenmostofit]

I suppose you could say when the third world goes the route of africa (except there wont be any foreign aid like africa currently has from first world countries because they wont exist anymore) or when developed countries start experiencing a reduction in population due to starvation, disease, etc...

Okay, so a decent die off, not one of those Ehrlich type "couple hundred million here or there" type things.

I'm with Seagypsy I think, there is way too much fat to cut first, and that alone could take the rest of this half century to work out of the system I think.

[Repent]

Hmm... 7 billion people alive now in 2012. With the average lifespan of 80 years, I expect 7 billion people to die by 2092!

[Plantagenet]

The mass dieoff will begin a year or two after Iran announces it has nuclear weapons.

[SeaGypsy]

After all the fat has been trimmed. Most of what we use currently could be defined as fat.

So at what point do you think the fat will have been trimmed off? 2050?

Too much to tell, too early.

[ohanian]

I expect peak oil to publicly occur at 2017 (aka gasoline prices starts to go up monthly)

I expect USA to go into economical decline in 2020

I expect the world population to start to decline consistently over a decade starting at 2030

[vision-master]

So what's the deal, you all going to be in heaven watching the dieoff or what. lsol

16,112,566 individuals were members of the United States armed forces during World War II.

In November 2011, the Department of Veterans Affairs estimated that approximately 1,711,000 American veterans were still living.

In another ten years that number will be close to ZERO veterans still living........

Wouldn't you call that a mass dieoff?

[mmasters]

Looks like the majority vote is centering around 2025

Given the history of this site's predictions being 5-10 years early I'm putting my money on 2030-2035

[pstarr]

After all the fat has been trimmed. Most of what we use currently could be defined as fat.

It is not fat. Our auto/truck dependency is a necessity. We have no alternative but to drive everywhere. You cannot define driving to work or the grocery as fat. Maintaining roads and power lines by truck and car is not fat. Moving petroleum, ores, and consumer products by truck, train, and ship is not fat. Forget mass transit. We live out in the cold in suburbia. 150 years of inexpensive fuel made this nest. The cheap-fuel regime is coming to an end and our nest is coming apart.

[pstarr]

The mass dieoff will begin a year or two after Iran announces it has nuclear weapons.

you enlist on the front lines and i will vote for war. deal?

[Plantagenet]

Prof. Paul Ehrlich (Stanford) calls for global population reduction of 5 billion people.

world should have 5 billion fewer people

That would leave 2 billion people.....a bit less than we have today in just India and China combined.

[Plantagenet]

We have no alternative but to drive everywhere....Forget mass transit. We live out in the cold in suburbia....

Try taking a bus sometime. Its not so bad.

[pstarr]

We have no alternative but to drive everywhere....Forget mass transit. We live out in the cold in suburbia....

Try taking a bus sometime. Its not so bad.

How would you know plant? Here are instructions In case you want to try during the next snow storm;

--walk down your 1/4 mile driveway, past the coded security gate, and into the cul de sac.

--from there wend your way thru the neighborhood out onto the ring road by the Anne Klein. Walk another 1/2 mile to the Mickey'D's and shiver in the cold. Don't forget to wear your lamb-skin gloves.

--for fun try the same thing out in your little hill-top (with a view) mini-vacation mini-mansion.

--or perhaps play dress up as a poor person with kids, groceries, and a dog in a bad neighborhood. that'd be a lark.

sure plant you take the bus. laughable.

[AgentR11]

After all the fat has been trimmed. Most of what we use currently could be defined as fat.

Problem is, "advanced" peoples will take someone else's essentials in order to keep their own fat.

How much grain did that 20oz sirloin steak I ate last night take to grow?

[pstarr]

After all the fat has been trimmed. Most of what we use currently could be defined as fat.

Problem is, "advanced" peoples will take someone else's essentials in order to keep their own fat.

How much grain did that 20oz sirloin steak I ate last night take to grow?

You ate a pound and a quarter of meat at one sitting. Jesus Christ man. You balls are going to grow like grapefruits.

[vision-master]

an to think he sits behind a computer screen all day to boot, he will be lucky to make it to 60......

[AgentR11]

VM.. I burn an average of 3500 cal/day; with some days exceeding 5k. My blood chemistry is perfect as of last month's check. In fact, I've been trying to figure out how to eat more calories because I want to step up the output level one more notch across the summer; gimpy little stomach is refusing to cooperate so far..

[AgentR11]

You ate a pound and a quarter of meat at one sitting. <exclamation>

This'll send VM nuts, but I salt-crust grill steaks that size, thick coating of coarse seasalt and some black pepper; they come off with a hard salt crust and char, with the middle still mostly rare and bloody. Delicious, and it would be lethal to a sedentary individual.

Even still, that steak is only 1200 Cal, and I just barely managed to break even yesterday, with only 23 miles of biking.

[dolanbaker]

2015. When peak oil happens. Or has it happened already?

it depends on your metric. peak light-sweet crude occurred in 2005. Since then we have dug deeper, refined more, relabeled organic compounds as oil, upgraded crap, and otherwise kicked the ball a few years down the road. So yeah. peak is now.

A trend that could last for a few more years!
Followed by two or three decades of declining production and trimming of "fat" then eventually into the muscle, at which point food production will be impaired and famines start to occur in "developed" nations!

[vision-master]

You ate a pound and a quarter of meat at one sitting. <exclamation>

This'll send VM nuts, but I salt-crust grill steaks that size, thick coating of coarse seasalt and some black pepper; they come off with a hard salt crust and char, with the middle still mostly rare and bloody. Delicious, and it would be lethal to a sedentary individual.

Even still, that steak is only 1200 Cal, and I just barely managed to break even yesterday, with only 23 miles of biking.

Texas size...........


I'm getting sick of rice and beans....... take the heathy food and shove it.

[dolanbaker]

<<Right now Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya are experiencing the worst drought conditions that they have seen in 60 years. Tens of thousands of African families have abandoned their homes as they desperately search for food and water. Hundreds of thousands of farm animals have died because of the drought. Considering the fact that approximately two-thirds of the people living in the region "make their living by raising goats, sheep, cattle and camels", the word "catastrophic" just is not sufficient to describe what is happening. Every single day, thousands more head to Dadaab, the biggest refugee camp in the world. Dadaab was originally designed to hold 90,000 people, but now over 360,000 precious people are camped there. In addition, approximately 30,000 desperately hungry people are standing outside the fences waiting to be admitted. It is projected that by the end of the year there will be over a half million people living in Dadaab. Sadly, this is just the beginning. According to the United Nations, there are already 10 million people in the region that are facing severe food shortages, and many fear that if the drought continues we could actually see mass starvation in Africa in 2012.>>

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... ut-of-food

African countries that are experiencing famines now are mainly caused by overpopulation and bad farming or conflict, few are directly related to peak oil as those places currently use very little oil as it is.