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Re: THE Iran Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 22:14:02

dissident wrote:
eXpat wrote:Video: Henry Kissinger 'We should ignore intelligence and assume Iran wants nukes'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFMHJh-DnjU


The good old boy should sign up for the front! In the perfect world all the movers and shakers would put their money where their mouths are and take responsibility for their war mongering.

Well, to sign up for the front would go against his values and beliefs about peace and love [smilie=5grouphug.gif] , after all, good old Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973... :lol: :twisted:
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Re: THE Iran Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 15 Apr 2012, 21:41:44

Beating the drums of war:
Israeli TV report shows air force gearing-up for Iran attack, says moment of truth is near
‘IAF expects losses, and knows it can’t destroy entire Iranian program’
A major Israel TV station on Sunday night broadcast a detailed report on how Israel will go about attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities in the event that diplomacy and sanctions fail and Israel decides to carry out a military strike.

The report, screened on the main evening news of Channel 10, was remarkable both in terms of the access granted to the reporter, who said he had spent weeks with the pilots and other personnel he interviewed, and in the fact that his assessments on a strike were cleared by the military censor.

No order to strike is likely to be given before the P5+1 talks with Iran resume in May, the reporter, Alon Ben-David, said. “But the coming summer will not only be hot but tense.”

In the event that negotiations fail and the order is given for Israel to carry out an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, “dozens if not more planes” will take part in the mission: attack and escort jets, tankers for mid-air refueling, electronic warfare planes and rescue helicopters, the report said.

Ben-David said the Israel Air Force “does not have the capacity to destroy the entire Iranian program.” There will be no replication of the decisive strikes on Iraq’s Osirak reactor in 1981 or on Syria in 2007, he said. “The result won’t be definitive.” But, a pilot quoted in the report said, the IAF will have to ensure that it emerges with the necessary result, with “a short and professional” assault.

Ben-David said that if negotiations break down, and Iran moves key parts of its nuclear program underground to its Qom facility, the IAF “is likely to get the order and to set out on the long journey to Iran.”

“Years of preparations are likely to come to realization,” he said, adding that “the moment of truth is near.”

Ben-David interviewed several squadron leaders, pilots and other officers. He noted that some of the IAF personnel, “it is likely, will not return from the mission.” An officer named Gilad said it would be “naive” to think there would be no losses.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iaf-plans-for-iran-attack/
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Re: THE Iran Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:34:37

That's an interesting preemptive "cards on the table" moment. Prior action was nixed by Obama leaking details ahead of time, thus damaging a plan that assumed some degree of surprise. Now Israel is saying, "we're coming, no surprises, no sneaking, stop us if you can. Force on Force." Like that Russian guy in 2012 would say, "Not Good..."

Will be pretty hard to stop this one with words.

From Iran's perspective, do you attempt to protect your challenging hardware by moving it, and have a fight with Israel, or do you try and avoid the fight but leave the hardware vulnerable... If you're a Mullah trying to set the stage for the Mahdi, do you get the same answer?

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Re: THE Iran Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 16 Apr 2012, 17:52:53

Israel is in for the surprise of its life if it attacks Iran. Both Israel and the U.S have their best luck when picking fights with the vulnerable. Iran will be a different story. So good luck to both of them, they're going to need it!
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Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 09:39:51

Switzerland’s refusal to yield to pressure from the United States in adopting the US-engineered European Union (EU) sanctions against Iran has “disappointed” Washington, the US envoy to Bern says.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/10 ... s-on-iran/
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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby JohnRM » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 20:33:17

The Swiss would trade with Satan, if it were a country.
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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 10 Jun 2012, 23:32:12

wrote:Switzerland’s refusal to yield to pressure from the United States in adopting the US-engineered European Union (EU) sanctions against Iran has “disappointed” Washington, the US envoy to Bern says.


Obama is threatening to prevent foreign banks that handle Iranian oil sales to do business with the US.

It will be interesting to see if Obama cuts off the Swiss banks from US business, or if Obama backs down. I'm betting Obama backs down rather then tangle with the Swiss banks. :idea:

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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 11 Jun 2012, 03:25:27

Plantagenet wrote:
wrote:Switzerland’s refusal to yield to pressure from the United States in adopting the US-engineered European Union (EU) sanctions against Iran has “disappointed” Washington, the US envoy to Bern says.


Obama is threatening to prevent foreign banks that handle Iranian oil sales to do business with the US.

That could create a nice niche for purpose built banks dedicated to profit from trade with Iran.

There is a business without US (or a dollar...) in it, you know.
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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 11 Jun 2012, 04:10:07

Was the dollar reserve status originally agreed on for mutual convenience or was it an act enforceable by treachery and or war? Or is that why the US has to keep coming up with different excuses to invade these places?
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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 11 Jun 2012, 05:51:53

There are more and more places where dollar is explicitly avoided in various deals wherever possible.

China or Russia comes to mind and I really doubt that US would go to war with these to enforce dollar trade.

In Europe dollar is also less and less used despite of troubles with euro currency.
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Re: Neutral Swiss Reject US Sanctions Against Iran

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 11 Jun 2012, 23:17:24

US exempts 7 nations for six months from having to obey trade sanctions against Iranian oil--they join 10 others in the EU already exempted from US sanctions

Obama has now given 17 nations exemptions from his sanctions against Iranian oil trade

IF Obama was serious about stopping Iranian oil sales he would just blockade Iranian oil ports to prevent Iranian oil getting out, as JFK did when he blockaded Cuba to stop Russian missiles getting in. The current sanctions plan isn't going to work, especially if Obama keeps giving countries waivers to the sanctions. 8)

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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 11:39:44

Confounding logic.
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 16:52:29

Iran's greatest threat is the amount of money they could make from the gas and oil they control .
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 17:35:38

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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 17:40:25

"PStorm" who is this useless turd? I'd rather have Cialis spam from the drug spammers.
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 17:43:58

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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 23:08:16

TheAntiDoomer wrote:"PStorm" who is this useless turd? I'd rather have Cialis spam from the drug spammers.


Or the free movie guy who spams us with new blockbusters that are probably viruses if you click on them.
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 19 Nov 2012, 23:11:43

If they didn't have those missiles, USrael would already have invaded and bombed their civilian infrastructure to rubble and installed a puppet regime to give lucrative oil concessions to EXXON and Shell.

Like in Iraq.
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby KingM » Tue 20 Nov 2012, 07:54:18

200,000 medium range missiles? Right. Most of those are short range, dumb projectiles. And they've got tens of thousands of batteries and crew to fire those things> Or might those missiles be stored in bunkers with a few hundred men trained to use them.

Long before they fired ten or twenty thousand rockets Israel would respond with the big guns.
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Re: "Suicidal Iran" Can Fire 200,000 Missiles

Unread postby lowem » Tue 20 Nov 2012, 10:28:33

Any WMD's involved?
Because this was all over the news when we were talking about Iraq.
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