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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 16 Feb 2012, 12:50:24

Iran to Europe: Want oil? Meet these demands.
But the market’s reaction illustrates the risks involved in the US and European decision to strain Iran's economy with an oil embargo over its current nuclear program, analysts say. Iran stands to lose less at this juncture because there are others willing to buy its oil and it can still deliver a big punch through oil prices.

Iran is demanding that EU countries relinquish the contractual right to stop payments in case of "cause major" like a war, asking for additional payment guarantees, and eliminating short-term oil supply contracts, Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García Margallo said in audio statement released Thursday by the ministry. He didn’t offer details.

Spain said that it has already secured alternative supplies, mainly from Saudi Arabia and Iraq, echoing similar calls for calm throughout Europe.

“If they were to cut it off earlier, we would accommodate quicker, that's what we'd do,” EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht said Wednesday in Hong Kong after a trip to Beijing.
The market will adjust

Furthermore, from a technical point of view, in the unlikely event Iran actually decided to cut supplies unilaterally, it would take it as much as two months to implement – and even then, only if it had alternative buyers lined up.

Timing is critical, Mr. Tchilinguirian says. "In effect you have a window of one or even two months before it would hit oil supplies.”
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EU Energy Commissioner Günther Oettinger said in Brussels officials are considering alternatives to allow Greece to secure oil supplies at market rates.

The EU has been gradually cutting back on Iranian supplies for some time, but it still bought a quarter of Iran’s exports of 2.5 million barrels per day between January and October 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. Spain, Italy, and Greece account for three-quarters of that.

Meanwhile, Asian economies have been buying more. China buys 22 percent of Iran’s exports, India 12 percent, and most of the remainder is exported to Turkey, Japan, and South Korea, close EU and US allies.

'We can mess with you'

EU officials have said the embargo, while economically painful, is necessary to pressure Iran into foregoing nuclear enrichment. But not all agree.

“This embargo was introduced without any thought to the consequences. [EU leaders] clearly didn’t bother to talk to energy experts about this,” says Paul Stevens, senior research fellow in energy at London-based Chatham House and an expert on oil markets. The commission should explain “who came up this … idea because it was a very stupid decision.”

“If Iranians decide to do this, Europe would cope with a lot of difficulty. We won’t know until it happens,” Dr. Stevens says.

And he is not sure it is a toothless threat. “I’d be surprised if this is a bluff," he says. "They could easily sell the oil to China instead. And it makes sense that they would [unilaterally cut supplies to Europe] because it would push prices up. They are saying ‘You wanna mess with us, we can mess with you and probably do more damage.’ ”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0216/Iran-to-Europe-Want-oil-Meet-these-demands/%28page%29/2
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 17 Feb 2012, 17:03:54

Two wrongs do not make a right, after the sanctions have backfired in the the EU, they want to tighten the screws a bit more.
Global clearinghouse ready to evict Iranian banks
An international banking clearinghouse crucial to Iran's oil sales said Friday that it is preparing to discontinue services to Iranian financial institutions, an unprecedented and potentially devastating blow to Tehran as the West ramps up a campaign to stop its nuclear program.

The statement by the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, known as SWIFT, suggests that the European Union -- under pressure from Washington -- is close to approving regulations that will require the Brussels-based hub to evict Iranian institutions from its ranks.

Some U.S. lawmakers are pushing for sanctions on SWIFT itself if it keeps up its services to Iran. SWIFT lawyers were coming to Washington next week for meetings with Congress, and Friday's announcement was widely seen as a way to head off that action.

The Obama administration wants to see Iran barred from using the financial pass-through, which is used by virtually every nation in the world and overseen by major central banks, but it has no direct leverage. Washington was keen to see Europe act first, or to have SWIFT act on its own.

A U.S. Treasury Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity because SWIFT's action is still pending, said that the U.S. welcomes the move. The official said the U.S. will continue to urge the EU to act quickly.

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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 17 Feb 2012, 17:07:19

In the meantime guess where those 500K bpd that were going to the EU, are going now?

Iran to increase oil export to China to 500K bpd in 2012
The National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) has reached an agreement with the International United Petroleum and Chemical Corporation (UNIPEC) to increase oil exports to China to 500,000 barrels per day (bpd).

The agreement with UNIPEC, indicates that a decline in Iranian crude exports to China earlier this year was due to a commercial dispute rather than political reasons, Dow Jones Newswires reported

According to the report, the deal is another sign that China has no immediate plans to obey US sanctions, which were toughened late last year to increase pressure on Iran over its peaceful nuclear activities.

http://presstv.com/detail/227202.html
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 07:47:55

eXpat wrote:In the meantime guess where those 500K bpd that were going to the EU, are going now?

So you really think the 452K bpd on the chart is this same 500K bpd? Like China's oil imports would not be going up otherwise?
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 08:09:19

Mesuge wrote:
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"Due to humanitarian reasons and the cold weather in the continent, it will not do so at the moment," Al-Alam reported.


What a mega-baloooney, Mr. Persian .gov
The arctic-cold snap over Europe ended yesterday or even earlier, it's above zero from now on, snow melting, rivers flowing again.. Seems more like desperate covering of their collective ... It could have been caused by numerous things from simple stupid administrative screwup among departments/TV, to internal faction/divisions in leadership, foreign induced false flag/sabotage etc.

The crude oil prices in the world market continue to increase for the 2nd week.
Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation / February 18, 2012


Foreign reports point out that crude oil prices in the world market have gone up continuously for the second week.

Difficulties have been experienced in oil transportation to the world market with the onset of the cold climate. Until now, the price of a barrel of a crude oil at the New York market remained below 100 dollars. However, the price has increased to 103 dollars and 24 cents by last night. The price of a barrel of a crude oil at the London Brent market has exceeded 121 dollars. The main reason for the price increase is reported as Europe not receiving Iranian oil. ...

Guess somebody forgot to send the Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation any hush money.
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 08:16:13

bratticus wrote:
eXpat wrote:In the meantime guess where those 500K bpd that were going to the EU, are going now?

So you really think the 452K bpd on the chart is this same 500K bpd? Like China's oil imports would not be going up otherwise?

At this point nothing is sure really, however, seems that the Chinese can compensate for the loss of the EU market.
The article suggest that this could well be the case, we will have to wait and see.
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby Cog » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 08:21:41

I'm wondering if the other Mideast exporting countries are secretly enjoying this EU sanction drama. They are seeing their bottom line increase through increased oil prices. As long as the threat of war but not the actuality of it happens, they stand to make billions from it.
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 08:50:48

eXpat wrote:At this point nothing is sure really

There's one thing that's sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XWDT7bghSE#t=1m18s

What's fun is that when you search on Brent crude 121 and sort by date there are almost no articles.

Show me a news source who is not paid to hide the price of Brent and I'll show you a news source who is not also paid to hide the Iranian situation.

The one I posted

The crude oil prices in the world market continue to increase for the 2nd week.
Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation / February 18, 2012


Foreign reports point out that crude oil prices in the world market have gone up continuously for the second week.

Difficulties have been experienced in oil transportation to the world market with the onset of the cold climate. Until now, the price of a barrel of a crude oil at the New York market remained below 100 dollars. However, the price has increased to 103 dollars and 24 cents by last night. The price of a barrel of a crude oil at the London Brent market has exceeded 121 dollars. The main reason for the price increase is reported as Europe not receiving Iranian oil. ...

is one of them. Here's another but it's a bit older.

Guest Commentary: Oil Prices Weekly Outlook February 13-17
By Lior Cohen, Energy Analyst for Trading NRG / DailyFX / February 13, 2012


Oil Outlook:

The premium of Brent over WTI continued to rise during last week. This may have been due to the high demand for heating oil in Europe because of the cold weather and the tensions between Iran and Europe. If the cold weather will continue and the tensions regarding Iran will remain high, oil prices will probably maintain their high level, and resulting in further widening the gap between Brent and WTI.

In the upcoming week there are several news items that might affect the direction of oil prices including the U.S. retail sales report, minutes of the last FOMC meeting and Philly Fed index.

I speculate that during the third week of February, WTI will trade in the range of $96-$103 and Brent between $114 and $121.

Lior Cohen's reports mostly focus on gold and silver. I'm impressed that on Wednesday his range did include $121 although Brent closed Friday Feb 17 at $121.35 which is above that.
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 08:32:27

Tit for tat
Iran 'halts oil sales to France and Britain'
Iran has halted oil sales to British and French companies, the nation's oil ministry has said.

A spokesman was reported as saying on the ministry's website that Iran would "sell our oil to new customers".

European Union member states had earlier agreed to stop importing Iranian crude from 1 July.

The move is intended to pressure Tehran to stop enriching uranium, which can be used for civilian nuclear purposes but also to build warheads.

Iran insists its nuclear programme is peaceful, but the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency says it has information suggesting Iran has carried out tests "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device".

Sunday's statement on the oil ministry website was attributed to spokesman Ali Reza Nikzad Rahbar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17089953
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

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Iran oil cut will damage Italy more than other states: Italy MP
Iran's decision to halt oil exports to some European Union member states has caused serious concern among major European consumers of Iranian crude such as Italy, Press TV reports.


Tehran threatened to halt oil shipments to EU states after the bloc reached a decision on January 23 to ban Iranian oil imports for its members.

The EU decision came after Washington imposed similar sanctions against Iran's oil and financial sectors on New Year’s Eve, with the aim of punishing countries importing Iranian crude or doing business with the country’s central bank.

Press TV reported last Wednesday that six European ambassadors from the Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Greece and Portugal, have been summoned to Majlis to be informed that Iran is cutting oil exports to their countries.

Following Iran's decision, two Italian lawmakers took part in an exclusive interview with Press TV, voicing their serious concern about Tehran halting oil exports to some European states.

Democratic Party Senator Francesco Ferrante said Rome is currently importing a great deal of its needed oil from Iran.

“As a result, Italy will suffer more than other countries from the decision of cutting oil supplies to European states taken by the Iranian government,” he added.

The Italian lawmaker said, “Italy depends far too much on foreign oil and lacks an energy strategy of its own.”

“Italians' everyday lives will be affected as fuel prices are likely to go up [as a result of Iran oil cut]. The [oil] cut will also have negative consequences on Italian companies,” he added.

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Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby KevO » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 08:45:00

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Iran, have in the last 10 minutes, cut off oil to the UK.
Does anybody know if this matters at all?
In other words is petrol going to suddenly shoot up
Or is the UK economy going to crash by midday tomorrow because of it?
What does it matter?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17089953
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:00:17

Iran only exports 1% of its oil to the UK, i doubt the UK will even notice!
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby Cog » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:03:22

The UK imports 11,000 bpd from Iran
France imports 49,000 bpd from Iran

Nice speadsheet on the link below showing where Iran sells its oil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... estination
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby Cog » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:10:05

If its any consolation to your increased oil prices KeVo, this decision will most likely make me lose the 2012 PO Brent Oil Price game here. That is what should the larger audience here should be horrified about.
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby KevO » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:11:22

Cog wrote:The UK imports 11,000 bpd from Iran
France imports 49,000 bpd from Iran

Nice speadsheet on the link below showing where Iran sells its oil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... estination


thanks Cog. I have passed this on to
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby Cog » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:12:33

The obvious solution would be to bomb Iran until they resume the sales. Not my solution but one that will be obvious to someone.
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Re: Tehran suspends oil exports to six European countries

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:18:28

Cog wrote:The obvious solution would be to bomb Iran until they resume the sales. Not my solution but one that will be obvious to someone.

Bombing the infrastructure would be very clever! NOT!
If the Iranian military have any sense, they'll deploy their forces around the oil installations.
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby KevO » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:22:19

I don't know, but now I'm speculating, that if France is getting a 3% cut (which they apparently are) it means they will look for that 3% from somewhere else so the UK will have to do the same which means each country will bid higher and therefore it could, in theory, take prices up beyond 5% - which could crash the UK economy couldn't it?
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby Cog » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:29:18

Looks like Spain and Greece is in a bad spot on this as well. Yeah prices are going to rise.
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Re: Iran halts Oil sales to UK and France- BREAKING NEWS

Unread postby KevO » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 09:40:29

Cog wrote:Looks like Spain and Greece is in a bad spot on this as well. Yeah prices are going to rise.

Surely this will end Greece and then the Eurozone and by default the UK?
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