LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Keith_McClary]

Cold Fusion is Here, It's Real, and its Time has Come.

This event was especially significant, since it was some professors and administration officials at M.I.T. who were leading the anti-cold fusion attack wave in the early 1990's. Pro-CF proponents, such as the late Dr. Eugene Mallove of Harvard and M.I.T. who wrote books and articles on LENR before his murder in 2004, have theorized that the vehement attacks, derision, and accusations publicly made about it then were at least partially about M.I.T. and others trying to protect the large amount of government funding they received for "hot fusion" research; which would soon become utterly obsolete if cold fusion were a reality.

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There's dozens of websites about this - with all that "buzz" there must be something to it.

[Albert Ross]

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[Cog]

I'm glad this thread is back to keep up with all the exciting news of a product that is not yet for sale.

[Pops]

No tolerance for ad homs in this thread, automatic 2 week ban.

[Albert Ross]

Ok, I am now a true believer.
Just look at this automotive application for LENR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk
I just hope this will come on the market really soon and not be suppressed by the oil cartels.

[AgentR11]

No one is suppressing anything energy related.
OTOH, good luck getting any permitting with the word "Nuclear" in your product. lol.
Americans are afraid of irradiated(sterile for packaging) food for crying out loud.

ps: Let me know when I can buy one that produces power cheaper than what Entergy feeds it to me for.

Till then... I think 00 on the roulette wheel has a better chance at a return!

[Outcast_Searcher]

I used to think short-term doomers were persistent. They look like a bunch of pikers compared to the "cold fusion is real" advocates, given the real world news on this stuff. Just amazing.

[Outcast_Searcher]

ps: Let me know when I can buy one that produces power cheaper than what Entergy feeds it to me for.

Till then... I think 00 on the roulette wheel has a better chance at a return!

Nearly a 3% better return, actually. Of course, almost anything is better than, (let's be generous) a millionth of a percent liklihood.

Next thing you know, they'll be saying we are winning the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, and that government regulations (and those that oversee them) are all honest, credible, AND highly efficient!

[Schadenfreude]

No one "believes" anything about LENR until it's proven. But the fact of the matter is, there are 2 competing commercial LENR companies who are making substantial noises about imminent marketability with another 3 or 4 outfits waiting in the wings to do likewise.

So this is interesting energy news. It's that simple.

Rossi is promising a million units manufactured and ready to deliver by late this year or early next. Defkalion has issued a press release indicating that independent testing on its bare reactors is forthcoming in the the next month or two with further independent testing to be performed on its fully operating Hyperion units.

Neither one is accepting investments by ordinary investors. Everything is predicated upon actual performance. It's hard to see how any sort of scam could be pulled off without the perps melting themselves down into total worldwide ignominy in the process - especially considering the extremely high level of skepticism and wide internet visibility.

But even though this point has been repeated hundreds of times on this site, the antagonists to this unfolding story continue to characterize anyone interested in it as "believers", when in fact, it is just high interest in an energy-related subject. And why shouldn't anyone be interested in this subject? there are plenty of very high-caliber academics, scientists and engineers who are very interested in it. Many of them have witnessed the Rossi demonstrations and seen the data. Still, it is assumed here, that any anonymous skeptic on an internet forum is way more qualified to judge than any of these highly trained, credentialed and experienced scientists. Go figure.

It's pretty obvious that very few at peakoil.com want to follow the news about LENR or even want the subject to be discussed at all in a thread.

[AgentR11]

The topic would be interesting if it weren't framed in the way it is. It reads more like an excited appeal to investors as opposed to, "here's my product and you can buy one at Bob's Hardware".

Like I said, I'd love to buy THE PRODUCT if it can deliver power cheaper than Entergy feeds me power.
I won't be holding my breath, but will be happy to be pleasantly surprised if this is more than just another fictional way to squeeze VC money without producing value.

[Schadenfreude]

The topic would be interesting if it weren't framed in the way it is. It reads more like an excited appeal to investors as opposed to, "here's my product and you can buy one at Bob's Hardware".

Like I said, I'd love to buy THE PRODUCT if it can deliver power cheaper than Entergy feeds me power.
I won't be holding my breath, but will be happy to be pleasantly surprised if this is more than just another fictional way to squeeze VC money without producing value.

Rich people can blow their money on stocks, Las Vegas or hookers and no one gives a rat's ass. And they can blow it on any sort of VC project just as easily. But the fact is, neither Rossi nor Defkalion are appealing to ordinary investors. Both apparently are earnestly engaged in manufacturing and marketing. Everything is predicated upon performance to the end consumer.

You cannot invest in the E-Cat or Hyperion.

[Albert Ross]

You cannot invest in the E-Cat or Hyperion.

You SURE about that?

Wonder who is paying Rossi's bills!

[Schadenfreude]

You cannot invest in the E-Cat or Hyperion.

You SURE about that?

Yes.

[Albert Ross]

July 6th, 2011
Dear interested party,You have received this email because you have shown an initial interest for
commercial involvement with our company and our products based on Andrea Rossi’se-Cat invention (exothermic reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel).
Many have signed non disclosure agreements with us and others are in the process of doing so. We offer you the possibility to meet with us prior to our public announcement that we accept international expressions of interest through our website as of September 2011.
As such, this letter will update you on our current status, and provide you with a clearer understanding of the structure with which we are proceeding for all international partnerships. As many of you know, the manner is the same globally.
Regarding exclusivity, having received expressions of interest from 63 countries and more than 850 companies, we decided to change our non-exclusivity approach so that due diligence and selection of multiple partners in any given country is the responsibility off the country rights holder. As such, we will only sign
agreements with one company per country. Any additional factories will pass through this partner.
--- ---
Regarding our international sales approach, it is as follows:  We sell the rights to manufacture our products exclusively to one company for a given country at a fixed royalty price of 40.5 million Euros per factory
producing 300,000 units annually. Within this price, we will:
o Provide the blueprints to establish the factory according to our international standardized plans, including all details for the machinery / software / technical know-how used in the factory.
o Provide transfer-of-knowledge (production, technical, after sales, maintenance) both in Greece as well as on location
 Additional royalties are paid to us for each product sold
 We sell and deliver the industrial secret as a component to the final product in a black box, plug-and-play module.
 Local company partnerships, marketing, points of sales, technical support remains the responsibility of the country rights holder.
 If additional factories need to be built, the same principles remain.
 Our business and pricing is structured to create lucrative win-win opportunities for all.

Regarding time-line and milestones for those interested to proceed in talks:
 Initial meeting in Athens during July and August (except 14-20 July and
10-20
August) to discuss and sign preliminary expression of interest contract,
whereby the opportunity to secure the exclusive rights will be given.
 Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units
 Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units
--- ---
Regarding next steps, and based on the information provided herein, if you
see
opportunities that match your company’s capabilities, and if you believe your company qualifies to proceed with further talks, we welcome your reply to this email accordingly in order to:
 Signing of a non disclosure confidentiality agreement sent by us upon request
 Secure a date for a meeting in Athens during July or August
The abovementioned initial meeting in our offices here in Athens should not last more than 3-5 hours. Appointments will be set according to availability. As mentioned above, these meetings will take place during July (excluding above dates).
--- ---
Regarding factory specs, below is some basic information regarding the overview of the factory requirements according to our standards. Many of you will have already seen these figures; nothing has changed:
Larger and smaller factories can be negotiated according to markets. Basic aspects of each factory producing 300,000 units annually (kW and MW product ranges) are:
 12,000m2 space (maximum height of 14 meters for half of the allocated
space)
 IT to monitor production line, 1st level support and distribution channels
Assembly of products will include the following activities:
 Build-up of final product (electronics, heat management, etc)
 Assembly of reactors (purchased from Defkalion)
 Quality Control
 Total Quality Management
 Environmental Control
 Stress Tests
 Functional Tests of end products
 Recharging of units
 Recycling procedures

Factory Special Conditions:
 Clear air similar to pharmaceutical industry standards
 Access to constant flow of water
 Heat management of waste heat during tests of modules (this heat energy
could also be used to run the factory’s energy needs with third party
technology)
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Regarding R&D, it is also the case that some of you seek partnerships in the field of R&D. Such interest is seen favorably, but will be dealt with under case-by-case assessment following a detailed expression of interest. Please note that such talks will take place after October 2011.
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We would like to reiterate that this communication is made and provided to you prior to our international announcement in light of your early participation in this exciting endeavor. As of September we shall be open to the world at-large through our new website, which, to date, has received nearly 2 million hits since June 23rd.
We look forward to hearing from you accordingly, and look forward to welcoming you in Greece soon. You can use the same email (i...@defkalion-energy.com) for your replies.
Sincerely,
Symeon Tsalikoglou
Director Business Development & Marketing
Defkalion Green Technologies

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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Rock_nj
Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:55:46 -0700

Exactly the way "free energy" inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by
selling dealerships. Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise
money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really
starting to smell bad.

[Schadenfreude]

Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise
money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really
starting to smell bad.[/i]

If the Hyperion doesn't work, no one will buy it. And no dealerships will be interested in it.

Albert Ross = Blinky Bill

[vision-master]

Looks like we have another shorty here...........

[AgentR11]

You cannot invest in the E-Cat or Hyperion.

I don't recall saying you could.
You can however, be talked into licenses, signing NDA's, pledging property/facilities, etc.

Let me know when you have something to sell that's more cost effective than grid power from Entergy.
Till then, this is all just hype.

[Cog]

Not only hype but there is still no scientific explanation of how the process works. From what has been explained so far, Rossi has thrown together some nickel powder, hydrogen, and a "secret" catalyst and produced excess heat by nuclear fusion. Thus violating laws of nuclear physics, chemistry and themodynamics.

Oh and lets not forget the generator that runs in the background hooked up to his black box the entire time.

[Alcassin]

Not only hype but there is still no scientific explanation of how the process works.

Andrea Rossi sat on a wall,
Andrea Rossi had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put E-Cat together again.

[Schadenfreude]

7 Well Known Labs To Test Hyperion

Defkalion continues backing up to that corner. Hopefully, it is deliberate. Answers will not be in the mail tomorrow but verification (or otherwise) is creeping forward.

translated from the greek corner by “drew” (Thx!) http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/v ... 5914#p5914

So far we have received applications and we are in the process of preparing independent test with 7 well-known research centers and organizations from Greece and abroad.

We have received hundreds of applications from independent individual researchers from around the world. Obviously they can not meet all these requests memonomenon researchers within the space of the next two months.

The process of determining the available testing dates of research centers and protocols of each test-instrumentation research centers / organizations, require much correspondence and understandings (possibly more time consuming than we thought, due to their internal bureaucracy).