LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Aussie Guy]

Seems that the name used by the Colonel is that of a well known italian olympic swimmer who has won medals maybe its his way of saying "Go Fish" This all gets very curious! will the real Colonel Domenico Fioravanti please step forward

His photos:

[SeaGypsy]

Let this be the beginning.

I have not put in one cent, but I bill at $100 an hour. i have spent about 10 hours studying the Rossi mumbo jumbo, so my hat is in for $1000 AUD or US is acceptable.

Anyone else want to put their claim down here, in advance? The more the merrier and higher caliber pro-bono lawyer we may retain. These guys are soooooo, screwed. Lookout Carl, you are very likely to be on the prosecution subpoena.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Let this be the beginning. I have not put in one cent, but I bill at $100 an hour. i have spent about 10 hours studying the Rossi mumbo jumbo, so my hat is in for $1000 AUD or US is acceptable.
Anyone else want to put their claim down here, in advance?

Crap as it is, what's the point to prosecute this?
Defendant would be found bankrupt soon enough but you would not be in position to demonstrate losses.

So:
1. You have merits.
2. You can produce evidence.
3. There is a lack of quantum.

[SeaGypsy]

Actually I duxed my State in English finishing high school.

[SeaGypsy]

Bill, you LOST money. That is what I am asking for here, I list of financial grievances against Rossi. From your PM you have a substantial claim and I invite you here to put it on the public record.

[SeaGypsy]

I expect this thread to have a long and bumpy life. I do not ask for any pro/ defense of Rossi or attacks on stated claims here against Rossi or his cohorts. This is not about what people think. It's about that they have lost, will lose and a record of such in short form here on peakoil.com Other garbage will be reported as spam. Thanks to all concerned and I look forward to this thread being helpfull in saving a lot of folks a lot of hard earned money.
If that is not clear enough, something is clearly wrong with the reader's comprehension skills.
Have a nice day

[SeaGypsy]

http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/ind ... mId/693900

one of Australia's great little start up public institutions, a good place to check out what scams are up and post news or warnings.

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/in ... mId/694011

[SeaGypsy]

Deserving to be cheated? Desiring to be cheated? No. It's wishing. Just wishing and hoping and wanting prayers answered. That's what makes it evil.

[SeaGypsy]

I'm right with you there. It is much easier to cause pain for almost free than to drag yours and someone elses sorry asses through court. If someone took me for $50k I would be showing up at their meetings with a few local heavies for a while. Heaps more fun and you get to really speak your mind.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Deserving to be cheated? Desiring to be cheated? No. It's wishing. Just wishing and hoping and wanting prayers answered. That's what makes it evil.

Hey, there is no wishing here.
Plenty of free energy naiveties are getting cheated as time pass.
But it is all fine.
They invest money in ventures beyond their ability to comprehend.
Greed mixed with stupidity and lack of basic knowledge.
Good for them.

Fools should be parted from their money...

[MD]

You all have way too much free time.

[KingM]

Seagypsy, did you actually invest money with Rossi? If not, what claim do you have?

[SeaGypsy]

Seagypsy, did you actually invest money with Rossi? If not, what claim do you have?

I have claim on the sanity of my social collective, which can loosely be described as 'Australia's intellectual underground/ intentional/ alternative community'. Which I have never tried to put a nominal value on. I believe many in my collective are in the process of being swindled, besides many of my countrymen. I grew up in Northern NSW where these clowns find their most fertile fields. i love the place and believe in it's future. So I choose to put a little time and energy towards defending my place, my folks and my country from the likes of Watson and Rossi.

I would be over the moon to be wrong. I swear I will write the most detailed retraction ever when you guys prove me and blinky and other rational (if quieter )minds wrong.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I have claim on the sanity of my social collective, which can loosely be described as 'Australia's intellectual underground/ intentional/ alternative community'.

These are a kind of peoples the easiest to cheat...
It would be nice to have them on a mailing list.

I believe many in my collective are in the process of being swindled, besides many of my countrymen. I grew up in Northern NSW where these clowns find their most fertile fields. i love the place and believe in it's future. So I choose to put a little time and energy towards defending my place, my folks and my country from the likes of Watson and Rossi.

It would be a better deal to quickly assemble yet another scam to capitalize on these peoples.
That's how business is working these days.
Fools are getting cheated and that's about it.
Get used to it.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Not only fools get taken in by con-artists.
Successful con-artists will push whichever button works best on their mark.
There is often a combination of factors.

Yes, but in this case (Rossi et al) it is so easy to assess the case that it doesn't sound like some evil scam for me anymore.
It is more like a joke.

1. Basic physics dealing with issues like Coulomb forces (primary school physics really) is defeated.
On the top of it plenty of more advanced physics is defeated too.

2. An inventor is already known as a con artist and this knowledge is freely available on the Internet.

3. Inventor has a difficulties while dealing with primary school physics what can be seen on his lectures (videos freely available on Internet).

4. Supporters of fraud (like Aussie Guy or whoever he is) are blatantly unintelligent with their arguments and yet purporting some advanced knowledge.
Anyway Aussie Guy have pissed off from here even before you came.

5. Cold fusion was investigated in the past and refuted.

6. Purported factories of miracle devices (say Deflakion) are not there and basic investigation of satellite maps is revealing that.

7. Purported big customers buying 1 MW versions are phantom.

Well, sorry that does not even look like a scam for me (EEStor was a legitimate scam btw).
I conclude that those cheated by peoples like Rossi do *deserve* it.
It will be a valuable lesson for them and anything what Rossi got paid should be considered a tuition fee.

Few years ago about *any* mortgage lender was a far more serious and dangerous fraudster than few clowns like this Rossi are.

[SeaGypsy]

That last point is a payer.

[vision-master]

The Pyramid Code: High Level Technology

[Albert Ross]

Dear Colleagues

COP = 10, sounds quite fine however it's good to put this in context. PdD
LENR has 3 problems:

weakness (it's difficult to measure)
reproducibility (bad, unpredictible)
ephemerity (it fizzles out early)

In this case- was it a strong effect Watts, tens of watts, can it be
repeated and reproduced, how long it can last?
The information is still scarce. Was it really a
promising effect as say Mizuno's unquenchable
great cathode or Energetics' cathode no 64?
Lacunary information is not good, it's mental masochism. We need solid data
to be happy.
Peter

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Robert Leguillon <
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Great news, and quite embarrassing for some. Ni-H could arguably to be
> different enough from the original 1989 experiment to convince the public
> that it's new. If JET is indeed demonstrating reliable 10x gains with
> palladium, the question of past suppression is difficult to ignore. What
> the field needs is an MIT press release. It would be a great way for MIT to
> rise above its difficult past. And, to be honest, it would lend great
> credulity to the claim. It's unlikely any mainstream news organizations
> will take the story seriously if the quoted source is a dedicated
> cold-fusion website.

[Albert Ross]

Who is blinky?

http://lenr-canr.org/index.html


This site features a library of papers on LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, also known as Cold Fusion, sorry, meant to say nothing whatsoever to do with cold fusion and it's not really nuclear in the sense of going bang or making your hair fall out but more like a big happy family friendly thing you know sort of like a nuclear family, don't you worry about a thing everything will be all right. (CANR, Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reactions, is another term for this phenomenon.) The library includes more than 1,000 original scientific papers reprinted with permission from the authors and publishers. The papers are linked to a bibliography of over 3,500 journal papers, news articles and books about LENR. Click on the CONTENTS listed on the left to see:

Low (very)
Energy (not much)
Nuclear (well, only a teensy bit nuclear so nothing to worry about)
Rort ( the suckers, serves em right)

[Schadenfreude]

Cold Fusion is Here, It's Real, and its Time has Come.

Over the last several years, there have been many reports around the world about important multiple successes with what is popularly known as "Cold Fusion". The latest was from January 31, 2012 at M.I.T. in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Professors Peter L. Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz gave a symposium and short class where a successful 2-day LANL / LENR/ Cold Fusion experiment was done publicly that produced at least 10 times the energy out, than was used.

This event was especially significant, since it was some professors and administration officials at M.I.T. who were leading the anti-cold fusion attack wave in the early 1990's. Pro-CF proponents, such as the late Dr. Eugene Mallove of Harvard and M.I.T. who wrote books and articles on LENR before his murder in 2004, have theorized that the vehement attacks, derision, and accusations publicly made about it then were at least partially about M.I.T. and others trying to protect the large amount of government funding they received for "hot fusion" research; which would soon become utterly obsolete if cold fusion were a reality.

Long OpEd piece.