davep wrote: pstarr wrote: mos6507 wrote:
pstarr wrote:we allowed the Masters to force us off the land.
Whatever the hell that means. Who is "we" and who are the "masters"? Language like this is useless.
I am glad you asked, because you probably wouldn't understand. You are only a permacultural newbie
Original permaculture was about perennial crops. Then it changed to include zoning etc. Also, your response to mos's question doesn't actually answer his question.
I didn't have the time and the answer is involved. I'll start. We know that hunter-gatherers did have leisure time. I am not an anarcho-primitivist (at least I don't think so) and I will not to idealize Ludditism. But common sense and a detached mind will tell you that a burning through our planet, fossil fuels, and the atmosphere for 9 hours employment/commute, another 2/3 for home/house/family work, and endless traffic jams for entertainment/visiting is not necessary. Something is wrong. What is that?
What is the point of "permaculture?" Is it to raise organic healthy food, to farm sustainably/lightly on the earth, reduce C02 emissions, to free the practitioner from drudgery? Is it for food security, freedom, independence, novelty, attitude, to be part of a movement? I don't know. You tell me. What is the point?
I do know this: I love to be with the earth, part of living systems, close to nature, in ecologic balance with my surroundings. We have agricultural tools, appropriate technology, smart machines, micro-manufacturing, solar energy to free us to live in our communities without the car culture. I love museums and fine art and food, but I hate the striving in cities. We need balance and I have it in my little corner of the planet. It barely existed in the numerous cities and suburbs I lived in. Why? Follow the money. Who benefits? I would say it is the folks who own the timberlands, the mines, the industrial farms, the giant processing plants, the factories.
How did this happen? The paleolithic revolution, the Enclosure Act, the fencing of the rangelands. Concentration of power. Ownership of grains. Standing armies. Cowered populace. I could go on and on.
Here is a good place to start: The Story of Your Enslavement
Was that a start?