mos6507 wrote:What I don't like about this thread, and others like it, is it has devolved into a "let's somehow convert SixStrings".
You're right that it shouldn't be about me, but neither is it my fault I'm the only doubter who's posting. I did a poll Mos, 41% of the membership either outright rejects or has some doubts. It's not just me.
I think SixStrings likes being on the fence because then he's the center of attention.
I'm on the fence with a lot of issues simply because I'm open minded. How can you ever know you're right if you haven't fully considered and really tried to understand the other side? More precisely, I'm just interested in the truth not being right -- when I post about globalism, several times I've stepped back and argued the other side, recognizing the benefits and how complicated the issue really is.
At the end of the day, I lean one way or another. I'm obviously an independent, and yeah I know that drives 100% partisans bonkers but you just have to deal with it -- it's the middle that decides the issues.
And no, I don't want to be the center of attention. I've sensed that developing with this climate change stuff and I don't like it. I'm going to stick to my commitment not to blow this thing up even bigger by starting any more threads. You seem to want to put me in the "troll" category, maybe you're missing Shorty or something I don't what the deal is but I refuse to play along.
This is what happens with a forum that has had a serious drop off in posters. It becomes all about the influence of one or two people driving the discussion.
I'm aware of that. That's why I'm not starting any new threads on climate (other than the poll question and the taxes thread, I stopped after that).
What I mean is, he's sitting back like someone in a batter's cage, asking us to pitch the data to him one at a time, so he can swing at it.
Well I'm genuinely undecided (though leaning one way) and yet not emotionally attached to either side. I thought well here's a good chance for discussion. You guys need to realize that even if you drive all doubters off the forum and never talk to doubters anywhere else, THOSE PEOPLE STILL VOTE. If you want governmental mitigation, you have to talk at some point. This is a democracy.
I don't think this is reasonable. Any fully functional adult can go out and find the data on their own.
Slipping in snide remarks like that NEVER helps your argument. It just pushes people away. As for finding info for oneself, you guys are undeniably very well read and have been researching this for years -- why not ask you?
With Shorty gone, Six is now assuming the role of the resident skeptic.
Again, 41% of the membership has AGW doubts. It's not just me. But don't worry, no I won't become the Oilfinder of climate change because I don't WANT to.
Maybe a more polite one, but equally short-sighted and obstinate. I can say for myself that I just don't care enough about Six to keep tilting at that windmill. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Interesting style there. First you compliment (you say I'm polite) and then you slip in the condescending remark. I can't respond other than that because then this would become a flame war and I simply don't do flame wars.
Bottom line, let's cut the BS Mos. There are lots of headstrong people on this forum, and they all want to have the last word, so that's why these feuds and arguments get out of control. At some point I'm gonna have to give you guys the last word just to get out of this toxic mess.
Having said that, please note this thread specifically invites doubters to join the discussion. With that in mind, watch the snide remarks and try to be considerate.