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pstarr wrote:Better duck, here come the fascists.
I remember reading of some beautiful coastal habitat, rare ecosystems in Cuba without miles of gaudy hotels, Jimmy Buffet party bars, and parking lots.
Can't let that happen. But then the BP spill will probably rectify the situation and make all of Cuba fit for a modern shopping center.
efarmer wrote:That film is one of the most memorable and uplifting I have seen on the topic of peak oil and community coping with resource challenges.
To do such a thing in many parts of America, would require local and state government to waive the reams of rules and laws they have put into place to protect the value of, and the expansion of, the petroleum dependent sprawl of the last 60 years.
In essence, our national or regional disaster plans could have some thought given to how the government allows a Cuba style response to a possible severe fuels shortage instead of fighting one as a violation of land use and zoning laws. It is probably unthinkable for most of them, but it would offer an alternative citizen behavior path to the tragic ones that typically attend crisis and disaster.
It is more probable that they would just be backed down from enforcement by community consensus and
the fact that they were broke and hungry as well.
Cubans had to resort to eating anything they could find. In the Havana zoo, "The peacocks, the buffalo and even the rhea" were reported to have disappeared. Cuban domestic cats disappeared from streets to dinner tables.
Cows in the island were eaten. Before 1959, Cuba boasted as many cattle as people. Today meat is so scarce that it is a crime to kill and eat a cow. To combat illegal cow eating, the government established harsh penalties. A person can get more jail time for killing a cow (10 years in prison) than killing a human. Those who sell beef without government permission can get three to eight years in prison. Eaters of illegal beef can get three months to one year in prison.
americandream wrote:Any suggestions other than a mad max free for all, more wasteful Walmart style consumerism or hiding out in militia compounds waiting for the second coming, six strings.
thaiexpat wrote:"Fact is, the Special Period was utterly miserable.. "
yeah, they went thru some hardships and things still haven't returned to normal [what ever that is any more]......but they did survive and a lot easier and better than the fat cows that Amerikans have become. in the movie they state that the average weight loss was 20lbs......I could sacrafice that easily.
americandream wrote: I also anticipate the eventual failure of Cuba. For the same reasons China and the USSR failed. We daily beam them images of the life of aplenty in the midst of their simplicity and hey, what do you expect.
Plantagenet wrote:americandream wrote: I also anticipate the eventual failure of Cuba. For the same reasons China and the USSR failed. We daily beam them images of the life of aplenty in the midst of their simplicity and hey, what do you expect.
The original premise of socialism is that capitalism is inefficient and socialized government ownership of the means of production and centralized planning would produce an economy that would make the people richer.
That didn't work out so well. Communist China and the USSR were much poorer then the west. Communist Cuba is not only poorer then surrounding countries now.....its much poorer than Cuba was back in 1959 before the socialists took over.
Its hardly the fault of capitalism that socialism failed to produce universal properity as promised by the socialists.
americandream wrote: By the very nature of its anti-commercialism, communist prosperity MUST, as a matter of fact, be of a different, less opulent magnitude.
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