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Peak?

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How should I know?
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Re: Peak?

Unread postby ennui2 » Sun 03 Jan 2016, 03:04:08

Keith_McClary wrote:
KaiserJeep wrote:My personal estimate is that we can run our society in the USA on 1/4th the energy we use today, with no especial hardships. It does require an all-out effort to re-boot our infrastructure and rebuild our housing and mass transit systems.

Yah, the gubmint should use its legislative and taxation powers to change our behaviour.


Don't listen to KJ anyway. He's too concerned about heat-losses inside the gears of windmills causing global warming.
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Re: Peak?

Unread postby ennui2 » Sun 03 Jan 2016, 19:52:02

pstarr wrote: Folks will just have to migrate into town centers. Wait! There are no town centers.


I think you'll find there's more ways to adapt than you realize. They just won't be the Kunstler-esque adaptations you'd prefer.
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Re: Peak?

Unread postby ennui2 » Sun 03 Jan 2016, 20:47:01

pstarr wrote:so I guess no doom, huh?


Seriously for a moment...

My position is that BAU is not a house of cards, that is has more tricks up its sleeve, and that people, by and large want things to remain just as they are (yes, including the suburbs). When I say "more tricks" I do not extend that to mean "they will think of something". I think there's definitely a point of diminishing returns. I don't think we're there yet, certainly not with oil prices sinking to the floor.

What that means is that there will be sideways adaptations that will perpetuate all of the aspects of BAU that you and other doomers despise so much.

If you look at doom as a vehicle to sweep away a lifestyle you despise, then it's going to color your analysis. If you concede my points, though, then you can see all the reasons why the can has been able to be kicked further down the road as it has.

If you want to be continually frustrated by events not unfolding as you predicted, then ignore what I say and stay on the edge of your seat licking your lips over the end of suburbia, but I'm going to stick to my moderate scenario until the data says otherwise.

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I just think your analysis is equivalent to watching someone you hate walk down the street and predicting he'll trip on a paving stone and break his neck. He probably won't trip, but if he does, you'll be calling him breaking his neck until he just gets up, dusts himself off, and keeps walking. It's a prediction colored almost completely by hate.
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