Concerned wrote:I voted yes.
We have the technology and the wherewithal to change.
- We can use solar and other alternatives like wind. Microwave technology from space would be amazing.
- We can use modern safer nuclear reactor designs as well as the breeder reactors they are working on making commercially viable.
- We can work less hours like the French do and hunter gatherers of old did.
- We can recycle and build things so that they last and not simply throw away to be replaced every 5 years.
- We can share this rich sustainable life with all mankind. e.g. nano solar is now cost competitive with coal. When it scales up it will provide clean energy for all humanity.
What [s]can[/s] COULD we do collectively if we HAD stopPED breeding A VERY LONG TIME AGO and move our military budgets to cutting edge energy technology?
Concerned wrote:whereagles wrote:Lighthouse wrote:why would anyone want peakoil to happen?
maybe because then we don't wan't to trigger the methane hydride gun?
I think Japan is set to start pulling on that trigger
There was a story going around the other day about Japan mining the ocean for them.
Twilight wrote:You still have not explained why desires matter.
Nicholai wrote:Why would I ever WANT to believe in peak oil? . . .
Oil-Finder wrote:The only thing they really care about is that we stop producing and consuming so much oil.
Pixie wrote:If oil were to not peak, our numbers and consumption would eventually be curtailed by some form of pollution, which would permanently poison our habitat.
thuja wrote:Oil-finder I am impressed you would stick around here as you will find few to no allies- so kudos for you for sticking it out. On the other hand- I think your logic leaves something to be desired. It goes something like this-
Those who want Peak Oil (for ecological reasons/Global Warming) lasck the rationality to even acknowledge new finds or the potential for greater oil exploitation because they are so locked into their belief that they are blind, in denial and locked into a semi-religious belief system around the peaking of fossil fuels.
I would have to suggest the opposite- that anyone studying the issue with any degree of open-mindedness will soon see that it is evident that we have peaked or are very near the peaking of oil. This is not a desire led belief leading to blindness- it is self-evident and has been noted by...everybody (IEA, Oil companies, even CERA). You are completely alone. If on the other hand you ignore the reality of the situation then I would suggest that it is you in a state of semi-religious denial. Sorry...
So do some of us want the peak of oil and that colors our thinking? No we acknowledge the peaking and then see the possible advantages...
Oil-Finder wrote:
No I am not completely alone, there are plenty of non-peak oilers out there. If you want to know the details of my views, I am somewhere between a "gradual transformationist" and a "cornucopian." But that's off-topic.
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