SpockLives wrote:Pops wrote:The question is, how can the economy remain large enough to support an ever higher oil price when ever higher prices reduce the size of the economy?
High oil prices during the 70's came hand in hand with the same sort of stuff we had in 2008, recession, irritated consumers, higher unemployment.
Is it not just as likely that the same sort of efficiencies which that crisis jumpstarted won't, or should I say, aren't already, doing the same sort of thing now?
I assume you mean conservation measures like putting insulation in houses. You gotta remember that prior to the 60s & 70s primary energy was cheap, really cheap. For a short while I rented a late 50's "modern prairie" style house with no insulation, no attic and oriented to the west with 14' single pane glass wall on that face, I also lived in a concrete block house with 3" of glass wool insulation in the attic... People simply didn't pay much attention because energy was so cheap, so there were large gains to be made.
Vehicles were exactly the same, no one thought to ask what the mileage was in 1965, you'd have probably received a strange look for asking. So obviously there were easy gains to make. Industry, commerce, agriculture, really everything had large, easy efficiencies to be gained.
Over the last 40 years much of that housing has been updated or replaced, vehicles better but not by much and commercial/industrial of course are motivated by profit so are probably pretty efficient.
So, can efficiencies be gained? I'm sure they can but I'm likewise sure they won't be as large and as easy as before simply because we are starting from a different place. Houses are already built to a much higher performance standard, vehicles already are several times more efficient than a 1972 Caddie 500ci, businesses already see efficiency as a profit center or at least a way to competitive advantage.
The only option to investing in efficiency is going backwards: less driving, closing off rooms, more persons/household, carpooling, walking, eating "lower on the hog". Becoming more efficient takes investment: new built environment/infrastructure, new residential windows/mechanicals/insulation, new cars/trucks, new plant/equipment, etc.
Of course that is the on-topic part: In a shrinking economy, where do we find the money for that investment?
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