[ROCKMAN]

There have been various studies posted and discussions about injection wells. And often with emphasis on earth quakes, frac fluids, potential aquifer contamination, etc. I thought it might be good to consolidate all those discussions under one heading.

I’ll start off with a note about increased earth quake activity. First and foremost seldom is there any connection presented between frac fluid injection and earth tremors: such stories have focused upon all fluid injection…not just frac fluids. And just how much oil field fluid is being injected in this country? The stats might shock some folks. Also that from a volumetric standpoint the most serious potential danger isn’t from the injection of frac fluids but a very toxic compound…water…as in salt water. And how many such wells are there and how much is currently being injected in the US alone: approximately 144,000 Class II wells in operation in the United States injecting over 260 TRILLION GALLONS PER YEAR. Most oil and gas injection wells are in Texas, California, Oklahoma, and Kansas.

[dinopello]

New list of disposal wells shut-down due to earthquakes near Cushing

Maddow interviews some geologist expert about the recent earthquakes around Cushing.

Haven't watched it all myself yet so don't know what the conclusion is (if there is any).

[Apneaman]

More lying from the guilty. Rockman loses in reputation and possibly financially from his industry being exposed. He is not here for conversation. He is using this forum to further his personal, financial, professional and status agenda and to protect his psyche. Never was a poster in more of a conflict of interest. The industry is completely corrupt and we all know it. They poison everything including the political process. Rockman has zero creditably, just like the industry. Been lying so long that it's all they know. More poisoning of the well from the well paid rockman. He cynically makes references to how the industry is not here to hold your hand or is not your mommy and how all's fair in capitalism - too bad for sucker investors, but when the exposure comes out it's a different tone. Suddenly they are law abiding, warM fuzzy hero energy providers (as opposed to sellers). I could spend the whole day providing links to their crimes (many admitted after the fact) and barley make a dent in the pile. I actually have more respect for drug dealers who do not pretend their destructive product is for the betterment of humanity and want you to love them for it.

The Exxon scandal: an industry insider’s view

"The American Society of Petroleum Geologists

I was a member of the AAPG for more than thirty years, but I just recently let my membership lapse. Of all of the world’s big geological societies, the AAPG has the worst record on climate denial. The lowest point came in 2006 when the society awarded Michael Crichton an award for journalism for his denialist book State of Fear. "


http://critical-angle.net/2015/10/19/th ... ders-view/

[Apneaman]

What’s In The Recycled Oil Field Wastewater Sprayed On California Crops?


http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/05/07/wh ... rnia-crops

[Apneaman]

Huge study links wastewater injection wells to earthquakes

"Before 2008, Oklahoma experienced roughly one noticeable earthquake per year. By 2014, that number had soared to almost one a day, and the state is not alone. Scientists have documented an astronomical rise in seismic activity across the central and eastern United States, linking it to wastewater pumped into the ground from burgeoning oil and gas production. Now, new research suggests that high rates of fluid injection—rather than other factors such as volume or depth—may be the root of the problem."

http://news.sciencemag.org/earth/2015/06/pumped-rumble

[Peak_Yeast]

@ape: But you must admit rockman do contribute a lot to this site. Its way better with him here than not.

Besides almost everybody has an agenda - whatever rockmans is - its good to have him here to see an extra angle at things.

Just as its good to have an apeshit mad ape.

Btw. ape - did you see the link i provided for you in particular to help you bash people here? It has a VERY nice vocabulary... I wish I was as eloquent in my writings..
http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

[StarvingLion]

@ape: But you must admit rockman do contribute a lot to this site. Its way better with him here than not.

Besides almost everybody has an agenda - whatever rockmans is - its good to have him here to see an extra angle at things.

Just as its good to have an apeshit mad ape.

Btw. ape - did you see the link i provided for you in particular to help you bash people here? It has a VERY nice vocabulary... I wish I was as eloquent in my writings..
http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

I haven't seen a single useful contribution on the entire friggin internet! Face it, Yeast, you cannot even answer the most basic questions below:

When is Peak oil? I dunno.

How does the financial system work? I dunno, its deliberately opaque.

What is the only serious alternative to FF's? Hydrogen, except for the fact its more energy in then out so I dunno why its a serious alternative.

Why does Toyota continue to work on hydrogen powered cars? I dunno.

Whats the big deal about solar and wind? I dunno. They simply raise the price of electricity with no possible way of getting off the FF teat.

What is the point of driver-less EV's summoned from the cloud? I dunno, lots of people love to be disenfranchised I guess.

Do prices matter? I dunno. They are misleading to the point where they do not matter at a particular date and time.

What is going on? I dunno. I suspect runaway financialism with essentially no rules at all is far more the immediate problem than Peak Oil.

[ROCKMAN]

Pissed off kitty - "I haven't seen a single useful contribution on the entire friggin internet!" So you don't think now knowing 260 TRILLION GALLONS of salt water being injected yearly is usefull info? Ape man certainly does.

BTW Ape man: You're welcome for my starting a thread where you can express your positions. Awfully white of me if I do say so myself. LOL.

[ROCKMAN]

As far as increased tremors in OK I've already documented that thousands of times more fluid injections in that state occured before the tremor increase. Thus there is no causation evidence despite the apparent correlation. A simple FACT that neither the Ape man of anyone else has tried to explain.

But hey...this site thrives on unsupported positions. As it should IMHO.

[Peak_Yeast]

Hi Starvinglion...

I do not believe I have answered any of those questions in that way. So it must be your own thoughts, if any, that you are projecting?

When is Peak oil? Peak oil was 2005. The next peak is not PO but POE.

How does the financial system work? What kind of question is that? Its too broad to be answered here. You must be more specific.

What is the only serious alternative to FF's? Hydrogen is not a serious alternative. And I do not believe there is ONE alternative, but a long range.

Why does Toyota continue to work on hydrogen powered cars? Either they know how to produce and store h2 without the great losses and problematic containment - or they are friggin out of their mind. - The last seems most likely.

Whats the big deal about solar and wind? I, personally, are not too excited about wind power. But solar has a real potential to provide a solution that can be both efficient and with great longevity. We are not there, but there is real potential. Personally, I favor geothermal power.

What is the point of driver-less EV's summoned from the cloud? I have never seen anything remotely resembling that question before. And, frankly, I do not care. Its an insignificant detail.

Do prices matter? EROEI and RROEI does and so far as prices reflect that - they do matter. Otherwise they are just a (bad) way to distribute resources.

What is going on? What is going on is that noone is in control and panic is setting in.

Happy now?

[charmcitysking]

Regardless of Rockman's personal agenda and profession, he has posted more damning facts and evidence of the FF industry than perhaps anyone registered to this website.

His theory on the Peak Oil Dynamic is an exceptional framework of the
social/political/economical ramifications of hydrocarbon depletion - pretty much required reading for this site.

Ape, once again, your personal feelings are inhibiting your ability to be objective.

[Apneaman]

Peak_Yeast, I admit it.

Here is the spontaneously generated letter from the link you provided. Good looking out.

My complaint about V.P. Evil RockMan

I am writing to express my dismay and concern over V.P. Evil RockMan's lickerish, shrewish reinterpretations of historic events. To begin with an illustrative case, Evil claims that the Scriptures are responsible for his self-absorbed thoughts and fancies. This eisegetical fantasy is not only salacious, but it fails to consider that that's just one side of the coin. The other side is that Evil's anhedonic view of life leads him to uproot our very heritage and pave the way for his own despicable value system. I suppose he reckons that if he's irritable and cranky, then everyone else should be, too. The sad thing about that is that when people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And Evil is to blame. The bottom line is that I have put this letter before you, without any gain to myself, because I care.

[Apneaman]

Death by Fracking

"DENVER—The maniacal drive by the human species to extinguish itself includes a variety of lethal pursuits. One of the most efficient is fracking. One day, courtesy of corporations such as Halliburton, BP and ExxonMobil, a gallon of water will cost more than a gallon of gasoline. Fracking, which involves putting chemicals into potable water and then injecting millions of gallons of the solution into the earth at high pressure to extract oil and gas, has become one of the primary engines, along with the animal agriculture industry, for accelerating global warming and climate change."

more

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/dea ... g_20151018

[dinopello]

As far as increased tremors in OK I've already documented that thousands of times more fluid injections in that state occured before the tremor increase. Thus there is no causation evidence despite the apparent correlation. A simple FACT that neither the Ape man of anyone else has tried to explain.

The Oklahoma Geological Survey says this (and more in the link)

The OGS considers it very likely that the majority of recent earthquakes, particularly those in central and north-central Oklahoma, are triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells.

Now, is that a statement of causation ? Maybe not. But it is the same as the cigarette and lung cancer situation. 100 randomly sampled smokers and 100 randomly sampled non-smokers. 2 in the non-smoker group develop lung cancer in their life and 80 in the smoker group develop cancer in their life. Does that prove smoking caused the cancer ? Obviously not, right? Because 2 non smokers also got cancer so something else is to blame and 20 smokers didn't get cancer so how could it be caused by smoking ? Maybe it was because smokers go outside to smoke and the fresh air is what gave them the cancer and those 2 non-smokers spend a lot of time outside.

Maybe not causation but increasing the likelihood or "triggering" as the OGS says is a better term that you can agree with?

On the other hand, the real question is what to do about it. If the earthquakes aren't that bad maybe its not a problem.

[Subjectivist]

Rockman, does anyone monitor what kind of chemicals get injected into those saline aquifers? I mean any injection company or state/federal agency? The reason I ask is there are some chemical combinations that are exothermic and could generate some unexpected reactions after injection.

[Hawkcreek]

It seems logical to suppose that injecting lubricant (water) into millions of small cracks could cause an earthquake.
If you combine that logic with an increase in small earthquakes after such injection begins, logic again says that the cause may be (probably is, in my view) the injection of said fluids.
But if you release strain on a near daily basis, may it not reduce the risk of a larger, more costly earthquake at a later date?
Of course, this still does not relieve the people who injected the fluids, from the responsibility of using their profits to reimburse those who may have been impacted --- broken dishes, ruined wells, or whatever else may have occurred.
But, as typical in our system, the profits will continue to go to a few, while the full costs will continue to be paid by everyone.

[Peak_Yeast]

Deleted due to messing up the thread with irrelevant content.

[ROCKMAN]

dino - OK: let’s look at smoking. If hundreds of millions of folks had smoked for decades and almost none of them developed cancer would you say that's a good argument against the disease causing medical problems? I can’t imagine you would disagree. Of course that’s purely a hypothetical. But you would agree with that hypothetical assertion, wouldn’t you?

OK now let’s look at the actual data and not a hypothetical. For many decades TRILLIONS of gallons of oil field waste have been injected down thousands of wells in OK. And most of those injection wells are the ones still pumping down fluid today. And by the report’s own admission earth tremors were relatively rare in OK until recently. With those FACTS in hand doesn’t that indicate a strong level of proof that OK injection wells typically DON'T CAUSE TREMORS? Just as hundreds of millions of smokerS who didn't THEORETICALLY develop cancer make a similar argument?

Again I’m not arguing that there haven't been a few documented cases of it happening. But now folks, including the OGS, say those same wells that have injected TRILLIONS OF GALLONS of fluids in OK for decades that didn’t cause tremors are now suddenly causing them? So again I’ll ask the same question that no one has yet addressed: why are those injection wells suddenly causing tremors last year when they HAD NOT BEEN DOING SO for decades? Those without closed minds anxiously await the answer. LOL.

And I'm not saying the folks in OK shouldn't be concerned about the increase in seismic activity. Again research "New Madrid Earthquake" to understand why they should perhaps be very worried.