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North American Fuel Shortage Reports

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Re: Gas theft "Out of control"

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 11:36:18

What's next? Mandatory Medical Insurance? No can pay, no can drive!
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Re: Gas theft "Out of control"

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 21:32:34

frankthetank wrote:JD- I bet we see more insuranceless drivers in the future. Once gas climbs they'll forgo insurance and use it to fuel up instead. When i was younger, i was spending a lot more on insurance monthly, then i was on gas. I know people with loans on cars that will have insurance to start with, but will stop paying it and wait for the bank to catch on (usually there is a good passage of time).

In MN if you are stopped, you better have proof or else you're getting a fat ticket. I think CO is also very strict.


There's no doubt that probably 40% or more of the population here in my home state is running around without insurance. That's why I (like most insured people) carry a good amount of uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage. In a way I resent having to carry insurance in case some deadbeat hits me, but on the other hand I know that there's a lot of people out here that are barely making ends meet, and insurance is the push over the cliff.

It will be interesting to see what "necessities" go if prices keep climbing...
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: Gas theft "Out of control"

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 15:35:05

Jack wrote:And people ask why I'm a doomer...

If oil goes up to, say, $80 per bbl this year...and higher next year...matters should get interesting.

The only question is, which to pack? 9mm or .40? 8)


9mm I'd say. Wait until you see the whites of their eyes.

And people hope running out wil pass off peacefully. Hmmm
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North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 15:42:21

Dear US and Canadian PO.com viewers:

We have had some reports come in today on fuel shortages starting to show up in the US. Since we have a global network of observers literally at our fingertips, please use this thread to report any shortages of fuel in your area. We did this with great success awhile back for the Europeans.

First person observations of conditions in your area are the best. Any news stories in your local area would also be good (follow guidelines for reporting news from outside sources). Please Help keep the PO.com community informed about this important topic.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 15:57:45

pup55 wrote:We have had some reports come in today on fuel shortages starting to show up in the US.

pup,

Mind elaborating on this please?
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby birchm » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:43:11

Gasoline prices are shooting through the roof right now here. up 25 cents in a week.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby ohcomeon » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 21:22:29

birchm wrote:Gasoline prices are shooting through the roof right now here. up 25 cents in a week.

Our local prices went up 20 cents since yesterday.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 21:56:12

link Denver running on empty: Low inventory likely to push gas past $3 a gallon
Shell is up to $3.3x for regular here now in the Arden Arcade area of Sacramento.

On a related note: link Ford exec says April sales ‘terrible’ for industry. ‘Hard time explaining’ why they’re so bad; GM starts incentive program

Looks like things are just getting started. Within 10 years, outer suburbs in general should be significantly less wealthy than they are now.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby steam_cannon » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 22:35:10

MA gas prices have been spiking up, only 2.95 for high test, but up since last week... And as usual this evening the crowds at the pump were just a line of people. Gas price isn't keeping people away... gaschart

A cool script for generating price charts for your state and time range: link
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 09:15:42

Filled up at a Shell station just north of Denver yesterday and every diesel pump had a yellow out of service bag over the pump. Three of the premium pumps were also “out of service”

In another post I mentioned that I hadn't seen any shortages. Well, now I see them.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 09:22:10

Sabibaby wrote:Filled up at a Shell station just north of Denver yesterday and every diesel pump had a yellow out of service bag over the pump. Three of the premium pumps were also “out of service”
In another post I mentioned that I hadn't seen any shortages. Well, now I see them.

Shortage in gas supply may cause prices in metro area to climb Last updated: 4/27/2007 9:44:14 PM:
DENVER - In and around the metro area, plastic bags can be found wrapped around gas pumps at several stations.
Analysts say problems at oil refineries in Texas and Oklahoma, which feed Colorado pumps, are causing supplies to go down and of course causing prices to shoot up.

"It's been a strange year for outages and problems at the refineries. It's classic supply and demand. That's what we're seeing. The refineries aren't sending what they used to in Denver and it's coming at a time when more drivers are demanding gas," said Eric Escudero of AAA Colorado.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby Eli » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 10:08:53

Denver without gas is toast.

The city is a sprawling mess, people have to drive long distances to get anywhere. Those of you from Europe would have a real hard time picturing the city.

Denver will be great test case for gas shortages.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby Eli » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 10:28:34

I was reading another news story about the gas problems in Co. It seems that most of the problems are with Valero.

That I find very interesting. Valero more than any other refiners has focused on processing heavy sour crude. They saw an opening in the market because most of the other major refiners are focused on processing the better grades of oil.

Remember too that KSA only has excess capacity in the crappier grades of oil that are harder to process.

These refinery problems and maintenance issues are only going to get worse has time progresses. You never save the good stuff for last as Simmons is fond of saying.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 14:18:24

Two chevron stations are out of fuel like every other week here in North Orlando. Owners say that they cant get the fuel because delivery schedules have been changed due to unavailability. I say they need a new distributer.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby MacG » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 17:02:29

Between $6 and $7 per Gallon here in Europe, and we seem to be doing fine. Smaller cars and less commuting by car does miracles you know. Somewhere around $10 per gallon though, and we will definitely start to suffer. Not to mention what "out of service" would do to us... Sticks and stones...
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby Eli » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 17:06:13

Yeah, well 4 dollars a gallon in the US will force a lot of people out of their cars and make them take the train to work.

Too bad we don't have any trains.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 20:05:29

Eli wrote:Too bad we don't have any trains.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 20:07:12

Lifted from another thread.
Over the past week, I have noticed two or more out-of-gas pumps at every gas station I have hit here in Charlottesville, Virginia(which is quite a bit, as I am currently rotating my supply).
Anyone else noticing an increase in "sorry out of gas" bags over pump nozzles? Where?

Here along the banks of the Chesapeake, I too have noticed more “out gas of signs”, particularly on unleaded pumps. As I mentioned in a previous post, the further one is from the source, the greater the likely hood of shortages. In Virginia we are very near the end of the pipeline. I expect to see more of this as the stock numbers decline.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby oilluber » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 20:43:06

pup55 wrote:Dear US and Canadian PO.com viewers:
We have had some reports come in today on fuel shortages starting to show up in the US. Since we have a global network of observers literally at our fingertips, please use this thread to report any shortages of fuel in your area. We did this with great success awhile back for the Europeans. First person observations of conditions in your area are the best. Any news stories in your local area would also be good (follow guidelines for reporting news from outside sources). Please Help keep the PO.com community informed about this important topic.

the remedy for peak oil is to load up on the oil stocks, esp the canadian oil stocks like SU. So I don't care if it goes up, I'll still buy oil from the station that I bought some stocks in.
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Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 01 May 2007, 19:39:04

KCCI Website
Posted by Seldom_seen in the open forum:
DES MOINES, Iowa -- A shortage in the supply of unleaded gasoline has caused certain terminals in Iowa to run out of gas Tuesday, according to Bruce Heine of Magellan Midstream Partne
He said terminals in Iowa City and Fort Dodge had no unleaded gas Tuesday. Magellan has an 8,500-mile refined petroleum pipeline system, including 47 terminals, eight in Iowa.


Houston Chronicle
When there's not as much product refined and consumption rates are historically high, outages are going to pop up especially in the outer reaches of the pipeline systems," said Randy Lusby of Maryland-based Oil Price Information Service

We're in big trouble," said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading Corp. in Chicago. He noted that inventories stand at 194.2 million barrels _ or slightly above the levels reported in the days after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast in 2005 _ and he predicted that that the average prices this summer will surpass the 2005 record of $3.06 a gallon.
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