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News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 21:31:23

Since the topic came up in the other thread I thought I'd give this its own thread. People on this forum don't seem to know there's been a lot of activity to develop this area recently - in spite of Chavez (though, in a way, because of him) - so this thread will serve to inform the peakoil.com community of what's happening down there. I just know you're all excited! :o

A (sort-of) twin to the Canadian oil sands is Venezuela's Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt. This link here (PDF) compares the Canadian and Venezuelan oil sands. Page 2 tells us an independent estimate puts the amount of OOIP at 1.2 trillion barrels while the Venezuelan government puts it higher at over 2 trillion. In either case, it's a huge amount.

From page 14 of the document is this summary of the Venezuelan deposits compared to the Canadian ones:
Nevertheless, no matter what arguments are made, the Venezuelan reservoirs in the Faja del Orinoco are of substantially higher quality than Canadian heavy oil reservoirs; they have higher permeability, slightly higher porosity and oil saturation, slightly higher formation compressibilities, higher average gas contents, lower clay content, and so on. As mentioned previously, even after correcting for all known factors, the mobility of the oil in the Venezuelan deposits appears to be from 2 to 3 times more than in the Canadian oil deposits. Vertical wells in the Faja will produce substantial amounts of oil (100-200 bbl/d) even though sand is totally excluded; similar wells in Canada, albeit in somewhat lower permeability reservoirs, may produce 5-15 bbl/day

So, now we know that this is a bit better than the stuff in Canada. And they don't have to worry about frigid cold weather, either! :shock:

Development of this area has had a much later start than the Canadian oil sands, so now we get to watch it all start up. So much fun! :lol:
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 21:37:53

This just out late last month.

As an aside, I've been observing in watching news on this area that Chavez seems to prefer to deal with oil companies from other developing nations, rather than American ones. Not surprising given Chavez's idealogical tilt.

>>> LINK <<<
Venezuela, Vietnam to Start Producing Orinoco Oil by 2011
by Dan Molinski | Dow Jones Newswires | Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Venezuela and Vietnam's state-run oil companies have begun talks aimed at agreeing on a plan to start producing oil together in Venezuela's Orinoco region by early 2011.

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The joint venture company, called Petromacareo, would be 60% controlled by PdVSA and 40% by Vietnam's state firm, Petrovietnam, the Venezuelan government said in a statement Tuesday.

The drilling would occur in the Junin II block of the Orinoco oil belt, with expectations of producing 200,000 barrels a day.

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In summarizing Venezuela's oil production plans in the oil-rich Orinoco, the government statement said that in addition to a Vietnam joint venture, it aims for 450,000 barrels a day of production from Junin 6, which it plans to develop with a Russian consortium.

It also hopes to produce 400,000 barrels a day from Junin 4 with China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC); 1.2 million barrels a day from the seven blocks being auctioned in the upcoming Carabobo bidding round; and 200,000 barrels a day in each of the blocks Junin 10, Junin 5, Junin 1 and Junin 11.

As such, Venezuela could boost its overall production capacity by some 3 million barrels a day, to reach more than 6 million barrels a day in "the coming years," the government said.

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 01:29:37

How fast they can ramp that shiet? What "the coming years" means? 10-20-30 years? Do they (and other sources of non-conv) offset the decline in conventional oil production for the rest of the world? Do the new non-conv -EROEI > conv +EROEI ? Do the numbers add for a positive result?!
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby ian807 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 11:42:34

cipi604 wrote:Do the new non-conv -EROEI > conv +EROEI ? Do the numbers add for a positive result?!

There you go again, bothering everyone's little heads with that pesky math thing. :)
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby MD » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 11:54:34

cipi604 wrote:How fast they can ramp that shiet? What "the coming years" means? 10-20-30 years? Do they (and other sources of non-conv) offset the decline in conventional oil production for the rest of the world? Do the new non-conv -EROEI > conv +EROEI ? Do the numbers add for a positive result?!


I expect they do, and will for some time to come...maybe another century or more before we hit 1:1 for ff reserves.

As for ramping up, it can happen quickly, if circumstances allow and will persists.

You're still talking a completely different economy emerging along the way, with all kinds of risks potentially leading to instability.
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby Jonathan_Hoag » Fri 23 Oct 2009, 11:32:31

I think the huge investment in Orinoco Belt extra-heavy oil is a sign that Venezuela greatly exaggerated their conventional oil reserves.

If they really had 70 billion bbl of proven reserves and produce only 2.4 million bbl/day, why not invest more money into ramping up the conventional oil production? Russia has similar claimed proved reserves, yet their production is four times as high!

The Chinese and Russian Orinoco investment translates to about $45k/bbl of production capacity which is very expensive (in contrast Saudi Khurais development where almost 2 bbl or water have to be injected for every vbbl of oil produced clocked in at ~$10k/bbl). In addition, heavy oil from Venezuela already has to be sold at a discount and extra-heavy Orinioco oil would be even cheaper. In contrast, Khurais produces light sweet crude which commands a high price.
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 03 Dec 2009, 16:05:56

>>> LINK <<<
Chevron Exec Encouraged By Venezuela's New Oil Auction Terms
by Matthew Bristow and Dan Molinski | Dow Jones Newswires | Thursday, December 03, 2009

A Chevron Corp. executive called the Venezuelan government's new terms for its Carabobo heavy oil drilling tender an improvement, and said he thinks the revisions are most likely the final draft.

"It's encouraging that they've continued to improve the terms," Wes Lohec, Chevron's managing director for Latin America, said Wednesday. "I don't think there will be any further changes in the terms. These are the terms with which we'll have to make our bid decision."

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 01 Jan 2010, 19:34:48

>>> LINK <<<
Venezuela PDVSA, Italy Eni to refine Junin 5 oil
Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:07pm GMT

CARACAS, Dec 30 (Reuters) - Venezuela's state oil firm PDVSA said on Wednesday it was forming a joint venture with Italy's Eni (ENI.MI) to extract and refine up to 240,000 barrels per day from the Junin 5 block of the Orinoco belt.

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The agreement foresees the first extraction of 75,000 bpd in 2014, with construction of facilities from 2011.

"After this phase, there will be a complete development of the field to reach a production of 240,000 bpd," PDVSA said.

Venezuela aims to raise Orinoco output evetually to 3.05 million bpd from 940,000 bpd now, in a series of joint ventures with foreign companies.

[...]


>>> LINK <<<
China, Venezuela sign new round of energy agreements
Eric Watkins , OGJ Oil Diplomacy Editor

LOS ANGELES, Dec. 30 -- China and Venezuela signed five agreements, one concerning refining and two touching on exploration and development of oil fields in the Orinoco Belt.

At the signing ceremony in Caracas, China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) agreed to help the Venezuelan government assess oil reserves in the Boyaca 3 oil block in the Orinoco belt.

Venezuela’s state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela SA (PDVSA) and China Petroleum & Chemical Corp. (Sinopec) also signed an agreement to establish a mixed company to develop the Junin 8 Block.

CNPC and PDVSA agreed to set up a mixed company to develop a 400,000-b/d refinery in Cabruta that will refine oil from the Junin Block 8.

The two countries also signed an oil export agreement, which could see up to 560,000 b/d heading to China in 2010, as well as a deepwater technical advice agreement between CNOOC and PDVSA.

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 01 Jan 2010, 20:04:25

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From Oct 1: Venezuela says no new Orinoco areas after Carabobo | Reuters

Carabobo is an integral part of the OPEC nation's plan to develop its substantial oil reserves in the Orinoco region. It hopes this will boost national production by 40 percent from 3.04 million bpd to 4.25 million barrels per day by 2015.


What's on the boards is more like 400 kb/d I think. This is Hirsch's extra heavy oil wedge.
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 14:18:21

Ahh, there's that hope word again. Seems there is a lot of that going around lately.
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 13:51:20

USGS sez . . .

>>> Orinoco Oil Reserves Total 513B Barrels <<<
The U.S. Geological Service said Friday that Venezuela's oil-rich Orinoco Belt holds 513 billion barrels of recoverable oil -- far more reserves than originally estimated.

The assessment, the U.S. government agency says, is the first to identify how much oil is technically recoverable using currently available technologies and methods. Previous projections estimated the quantity of available reserves in the area, located in eastern Venezuela, at between 230 billion to 300 billion barrels of heavy oil.

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby Roy » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 14:13:55

Ahh, there's that hope word again.


You left off:

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 21:26:33

OilFinder2 wrote:USGS sez . . .

>>> Orinoco Oil Reserves Total 513B Barrels <<<
The U.S. Geological Service said Friday that Venezuela's oil-rich Orinoco Belt holds 513 billion barrels of recoverable oil -- far more reserves than originally estimated.


Holy WHERE DID PEAK OIL GO Batman!
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 21:37:09

Feh. Where did Venezuelan oil production go?

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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 22:03:47

Abundance - what a concept! :-D







Just had to get that in
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 22:06:22

TheDude wrote:Feh. Where did Venezuelan oil production go?

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Venezuela sure shows up as the poster child for what happens when you throw money at poor people rather than investing in your revenue stream, don't it?

Venezuela has already had 2 peak oils, my bet is, once Chavez is gone, there is a third peak in the wings, considering that they hold a nice percentage of all recoverable oil on the planet now.
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 22:09:18

OilFinder2 wrote:Abundance - what a concept! :-D

Just had to get that in


Whats the calculation people are always going around here? Take New Amount / World Consumption, proclaim that 2 days supply doesn't mean much?

500 billion / 85 million = 5882 days of production.

Call me crazy, but I don't think they'll be dismissing this quite as fast....

Can you change the name of the thread Oily?

"Peak Oil Postponed....Again....Orinoco has another 50% of all oil ever consumed by human kind waiting in the wings"
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 22:10:47

Now, just for the amusement value . . .

Let's say Venezuela ramps up production to 5 million bpd from the Orinoco.

513 billion barrels / 5 million bpd / 365 days in a year = 281 years to depletion.

How's that for a low depletion rate? :lol:
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Re: News from Venezuela's Orinoco Oil Belt

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 22 Jan 2010, 22:13:57

shortonsense wrote:500 billion / 85 million = 5882 days of production.

Are you kidding? That's ONLY 16 years to supply the whole world. So we push back peak oil by a decade-and-a-half. Big deal. Get with the program shorty, we are DOOMED!
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