Newfie wrote:OVER POPULATION
it's not on the list but the root of all the above.
I think that illustrates the depth of the taboo surrounding overshoot.
BUT....a good thread. Helps clarify priorities.
Newfie wrote:OVER POPULATION
it's not on the list but the root of all the above.
I think that illustrates the depth of the taboo surrounding overshoot.
BUT....a good thread. Helps clarify priorities.
Cog wrote:But what does the word expensive mean? If I drill, frack, go to the Arctic, no matter what I do on that front, does there not come a time when there simply isn't any more oil to be had? Regardless of price?
I get that expensive oil has an affect on global economies. No money for consumer items. Is not expensive oil reflective of the ease of extraction?
Just sort of throwing it out there.
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One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
careinke wrote:I think the biggest threat is the loss of topsoil, 1/1/2 inches per year. So I choose famine/ water shortage as it is the closest to my guess.
Yeah top soil is another big threat. I think that will impact third world economies first as grain prices rise. Including starvation for many. Though that may also be good for some of those economies if we can't flood them with low priced grain, their farmers could get back to farming, a simplification perhaps but Haiti might benefit from that. Anyway, it will also mean crashing food exports in the US which would have economic fallout for us. It's slow, but soil loss definitely has the potential destabilize civilizations and economies. Soil loss is definitely one of those big problems that needs attention if civilization is going to continue.careinke wrote:I think the biggest threat is the loss of topsoil, 1/1/2 inches per year. So I choose famine/ water shortage as it is the closest to my guess.
dolanbaker wrote:Newfie wrote:OVER POPULATION
it's not on the list but the root of all the above.
I think that illustrates the depth of the taboo surrounding overshoot.
BUT....a good thread. Helps clarify priorities.
Overpopulation only becomes a real factor when you remove the safety valve of migration, as things are, there are still some space in places like the Americas for the Asian overshoot!
As for the original poll, It has to be Nuclear war, a few well placed air blasts and it's goodbye economy!
dolanbaker wrote:The point is that humans have teraformed all the areas around the planet that are easily accessible, it's only a small step to going after the less accessible areas.
Which will happen first, total transformation of the Earth's surface to suit human activity, or total collapse of the ecosystem.
Newfie wrote:dolanbaker wrote:The point is that humans have teraformed all the areas around the planet that are easily accessible, it's only a small step to going after the less accessible areas.
Which will happen first, total transformation of the Earth's surface to suit human activity, or total collapse of the ecosystem.
Is that not a direct consequence of over population?
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