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Black teenager shot dead by police near Ferguson Missouri.

Here's a question.

What if somebody (maybe a black person) brings back to America all the knowledge they have gained promoting 'colour revolutions' in other countries?

That would be a problem, wouldn't it?

Right now it seems like the protestors don't know how to do it.

[Loki]

You mean glorious revolutions like Rhodesia enjoyed? What could possibly go wrong?

Here's a hint: don't pull a gun on a cop, and don't try to take a cop's gun away from him. That should help you not to get shot by the police.

For more advice, please google Chris Rock's informational video on how not to get your ass kicked by the police.

[noobtube]

You mean glorious revolutions like Rhodesia enjoyed? What could possibly go wrong?

Here's a hint: don't pull a gun on a cop, and don't try to take a cop's gun away from him. That should help you not to get shot by the police.

For more information, please google Chris Rock's informational video on how not to get your ass kicked by the police.

Typical American degenerate tripe.

How about... I thought America was the land of innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, I get it, that only applies if you have the right skin color.

American scumbags have been pulling this crap since the beginning.

Go into Native lands and call them savage.
Go into Africa and call them heathen.
Go into Vietnam/Korea and call them Communists.
Go into Iraq/Afghanistan and call them terrorists.
Go into black neighborhoods and call them criminals.

I HATE AND DESPISE these American pieces-of-s**t!

They have been a curse on this Earth since their very beginning.

[Sixstrings]

Right now it seems like the protestors don't know how to do it.

Things have been very quiet in the USA, protest movement wise, since the 60s.

Whereas Europe and other places have kept it up -- my theory on it is that socialism was taken down in the US, and labor unions.

So you are right in that protesters in the US "don't know how to do it." Should they figure that out one day, then that's okay, our Constitution and system is flexible and can bend when push finally comes to shove -- rather than break.

We are not a dictatorship. If the People ever get worked up enough again, and upset enough, and take the streets, then a US president and Congress would finally give in, unlike Yanu in Ukraine. That was the whole problem with him, the man had lost all support and power base yet wouldn't give in or resign. At the time, he told the Ukrainian people that he could not give in, that Moscow threatened to do too much.

So in the end he wound up flying off to Moscow in the night, in his helicopter.

See that couldn't happen in the US. If a US president finally loses all support like that, then party leaders would come to him and tell him he's got to resign or else impeachment and removal will go forward. Our Constitution has many safety valves like that, and it's why we're the oldest continuous constitutional democracy and we've done so well for centuries now. We have the founding fathers to thank for our Constitution.

Anyhow you're right though, things are heating up a bit lately. But that's okay, it's been so quiet for a long time now -- most of my life -- there were never any truly massive riots again since the LA riots in the 90s. It'll be okay, and will work out, as it always has.

I'm 100% against any kind of violence, and if anti-police protests get to the point like in NYC where cops are getting killed, then that's when I'm off the protest sympathy bandwagon. Generally though, the step these protesters need to take is to link it to economic issues -- that's the root of it, they need to be protesting for a living wage etc.

[Newfie]

I'm not a real big fan of the cops, but....as said above....don't pull a gun on a cop or try to grab his gun. Your gonna wake up dead.

As to the protests....they are a sham. There are plenty of cases where there was excessive police force, but they don't seem to get attention. It isn't about police abuse, it's about something else, not sure what.

BTW, you hear about the two cops shot dead in NYC? Or the two ambushed in PA?

What we are heading to is an even MORE bifurcated society. This is fueling racial hatred, both ways.

No idea how to stop it, just another example of our stupid culture doing stupid things.

Merry Christmas y'all.

[Sixstrings]

Merry Christmas y'all.

Bah, humbug. Thank God this thing is only once a year.

[vtsnowedin]

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Typical American degenerate tripe.

How about... I thought America was the land of innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, I get it, that only applies if you have the right skin color.

American scumbags have been pulling this crap since the beginning.

Go into Native lands and call them savage.
Go into Africa and call them heathen.
Go into Vietnam/Korea and call them Communists.
Go into Iraq/Afghanistan and call them terrorists.
Go into black neighborhoods and call them criminals.

I HATE AND DESPISE these American pieces-of-s**t!

They have been a curse on this Earth since their very beginning.

This is a good candidate for the dumbest post of the year.
The tape on this one is clear. The FOOL ,and that is what he was ,pulled a gun and pointed it at arms length at a cop. It didn't matter what color he was at that point the cop had, HAD!! to shoot him.
Any place else in the world and you would have had the same result except maybe the UK where the unarmed cop would have been shot dead.
Your anti American rant is just nonsense.

[noobtube]

Your pro-American BS is typical self-serving garbage.

If that piglet really had a gun pulled on him first, why isn't that armed piece of garbage dead, or shot, or wounded in any way? Why did only his gun fire?

This cop punk had the time to grab his gun, aim it, pull the trigger, and deliver a kill shot all the while someone is pointing a gun at him?

In the military, your first response, when someone points a gun at you, is to find cover.

You don't stand there, like it's some Hollywood movie, and get into a gunfight. That is how you die. But, clearly, this piece of s**t is channeling his inner Dirty Harry/KKK and decides to do a street-side lynching. If that piece of garbage, calling himself a cop, really thought he was in danger, he would have ducked, not pulled a gun. How in the world is a gun going to stop bullets that are flying at you?

If these cowards are so scared, why do they join the police? Why do they go into areas where they are clearly not wanted? The community does not support them nor want them. Yet, these scumbags calling themselves cops go into areas doing nothing but causing and starting trouble.

Are American degenerates really that stupid to believe the crap from this cop?

That is a rhetorical question.

Police are a stupid, 19th century invention that needs to be destroyed. Either that, or take the guns from the patrol cops.

Give a cop a baton, and the cop beats.
Give a cop a tazer, and the cop electrocutes.
Give a cop a gun, and the cop shoots.
Give a cop authority, and the cop murders.

[vtsnowedin]

Your pro-American BS is typical self-serving garbage.

If that piglet really had a gun pulled on him first, why isn't that armed piece of garbage dead, or shot, or wounded in any way? Why did only his gun fire?

This cop punk had the time to grab his gun, aim it, pull the trigger, and deliver a kill shot all the while someone is pointing a gun at him?

In the military, your first response, when someone points a gun at you, is to find cover.

You don't stand there, like it's some Hollywood movie, and get into a gunfight. That is how you die. But, clearly, this piece of s**t is channeling his inner Dirty Harry/KKK and decides to do a street-side lynching. If that piece of garbage, calling himself a cop, really thought he was in danger, he would have ducked, not pulled a gun. How in the world is a gun going to stop bullets that are flying at you?

If these cowards are so scared, why do they join the police? Why do they go into areas where they are clearly not wanted? The community does not support them nor want them. Yet, these scumbags calling themselves cops go into areas doing nothing but causing and starting trouble.

Are American degenerates really that stupid to believe the crap from this cop?

That is a rhetorical question.

Police are a stupid, 19th century invention that needs to be destroyed. Either that, or take the guns from the patrol cops.

Give a cop a baton, and the cop beats.
Give a cop a tazer, and the cop electrocutes.
Give a cop a gun, and the cop shoots.
Give a cop authority, and the cop murders.

Your first post was stupid enough, there was no need for you to attempt to outdo yourself.

[Ibon]

Being disenfranchised and marginalized leads to radicalization. This disenfranchisement happens when you can't found honorable work and or are poorly paid. If we look at disparity of work and the quality of jobs available we can predict with fair accuracy that we are now at the beginning of a chapter of increased domestic violence.

[noobtube]

Your pro-American BS is typical self-serving garbage.

If that piglet really had a gun pulled on him first, why isn't that armed piece of garbage dead, or shot, or wounded in any way? Why did only his gun fire?

This cop punk had the time to grab his gun, aim it, pull the trigger, and deliver a kill shot all the while someone is pointing a gun at him?

In the military, your first response, when someone points a gun at you, is to find cover.

You don't stand there, like it's some Hollywood movie, and get into a gunfight. That is how you die. But, clearly, this piece of s**t is channeling his inner Dirty Harry/KKK and decides to do a street-side lynching. If that piece of garbage, calling himself a cop, really thought he was in danger, he would have ducked, not pulled a gun. How in the world is a gun going to stop bullets that are flying at you?

If these cowards are so scared, why do they join the police? Why do they go into areas where they are clearly not wanted? The community does not support them nor want them. Yet, these scumbags calling themselves cops go into areas doing nothing but causing and starting trouble.

Are American degenerates really that stupid to believe the crap from this cop?

That is a rhetorical question.

Police are a stupid, 19th century invention that needs to be destroyed. Either that, or take the guns from the patrol cops.

Give a cop a baton, and the cop beats.
Give a cop a tazer, and the cop electrocutes.
Give a cop a gun, and the cop shoots.
Give a cop authority, and the cop murders.

Your first post was stupid enough, there was no need for you to attempt to outdo yourself.

It's going to be sweet when the smug American degenerate gets knocked down to size.

All I have to do is wait and the Americans themselves will do all the hard work to make it happen.

Happy times ahead.

[Newfie]

Being disenfranchised and marginalized leads to radicalization. This disenfranchisement happens when you can't found honorable work and or are poorly paid. If we look at disparity of work and the quality of jobs available we can predict with fair accuracy that we are now at the beginning of a chapter of increased domestic violence.

This is kinda towards the point I was getting at about jobs elsewhere. Having meaningful work, or work we can pretend is meaningful, is really important to a lot of folks. It's a driving element in our culture.

[SeaGypsy]

Lots easier to keep up the pretence if the money is good. A bit of flexibility is probably just as important.

[Shaved Monkey]

Being disenfranchised and marginalized leads to radicalization. This disenfranchisement happens when you can't found honorable work and or are poorly paid. If we look at disparity of work and the quality of jobs available we can predict with fair accuracy that we are now at the beginning of a chapter of increased domestic violence.

Agree
African Americans were bought over to be exploited as slaves.
Industrial revolution gave them an opportunity to go from the fields to the factories.
Slaves didn't need to be educated,so you have generations with no/minimal formal education and virtually no educated role models for the next generation.
Education increases ability to earn,this creates buffers of generational money to be passed on and used to increase opportunity.
In the US education is expensive and the safety nets for the unemployed are virtually non existent compared to other first world nations, add technology and China taking all the mass employing manufacturing jobs and peak oil taking the rest and then add ghettos.
Its a tough life.
Sure things have changed there are educated and successful no sporting/non musical /non acting African Americans,but there are even more that aren't and probably will never be.
The realisation of there being no hope to achieve the American Dream will cause the greatest problems.
Crime,prison and the military will solve some of that feelings of despair and give you 3 meals a day.

The end of growth/PO future will bite first at the people with the least buffer.
They will get angry and go Zombie.

[Newfie]

Maybe not Zombie. Another way to think of it is that they have been under pressure to develop their own social systems, gangs. And not just blacks. Must, to some extent, the gangs function as de facto local law.

I remember reading how Hammas became Influential because of their humanitarian deeds.

If things get bad enough you may see the uprising of alternative local governments in the US cities. Gangs may find a Vacume to fill. They have some of that structure already.

I don't think many of us will like what that entails, but it is possible.

[Shaved Monkey]

Its not just a colour thing I think its an economic thing.
A youth unemployment thing a thwarted expectation thing.
When corporations shift their factories to get cheaper slave labour in Asia or Latin America so they can generate cheaper pollution and make more profit ,they do so with no regard for the outcomes for a civilised society in the country they call home.

[Newfie]

Perhaps. But....think of this.....where do they sell all that stuff they are making overseas? At home largely. They can't sell it if they don't have consumers. To be consumers you need money, a job.

Jobs are increasingly in the " service sector" which are, by and large, make work either through inefficiency of the corporate model, or the government model.

Think about it, do you know anyone with job in the primary sector?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_ ... he_economy

How many do you know with service sector jobs?

[vtsnowedin]

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In the US education is expensive and the safety nets for the unemployed are virtually non existent compared to other first world nations, .

If you really think this is true it says a lot.

[Loki]

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In the US education is expensive and the safety nets for the unemployed are virtually non existent compared to other first world nations, .

If you really think this is true it says a lot.

Yeah, he's pretty much clueless when it comes to the US. Doesn't stop him from spewing nonsense on a regular basis. A bit better than noobtube, at least. The latter is the only poster on my ignore list.