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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 02:55:36

Its not at all OBVIOUSLY anything at this point.

You, nor I, have anywhere close to the information required to judge the truth or false nature of that assertion.

I'm inclined to entertain the notion though that some within the US attempted to organize a coup against a government that was being difficult. Our history doing such a thing is no secret.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 09:21:08

AgentR11 wrote:Something I've been watching... USN vessels transiting the Bosphorus are now getting the full security escort; and the RuNavy vessels are getting the single, two man, patrol boat. Complete flip flop.

I'm starting to buy the US influenced coup / Putin e-warfare pickup and snitch line.

If Erdogan is really of that opinion, then NATO is in for a rough ride; units involved were definitely NATO tied parts of the Turkish mil; won't be long before NATO allies start wondering if "Prompt Global Strike" is meant to keep them in line, and not protect them from some distant adversary.

Do not like what was attempted, AT ALL.
NATO is a treaty obligation, if there were US mil ties, we need some trials for treason, not coverups and hand-waving dismissals.


Even if it is a completely false story the fact that the USA toppled or encouraged the toppling of the governments of Libya, Egypt, Syria all within the last 6 years makes it very believable that they would do the same with Turkey.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 16:47:26

Cid_Yama wrote:Since the signs are in English, they were passed out to the crowd by the government and are intended for US to read.

Do you really think the average Turk can read or write English?

The ones carrying them probably have no idea what they say. They were just told to carry them.


The Turkish people are screwed every which way. Instead of a compardor caliphate under Gulen they will have the Daesh caliphate of Erdo-turd.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Synapsid » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 18:02:18

CidYama wrote:

"Do you really think the average Turk can read or write English?"

Yes, I do. Partly because English is required in all public schools from grade 2 up through high school and in private schools starting in kindergarten--English is the foreign language taught most widely in Turkey--and partly because I lived in Turkey, in a small town (it was small then; now it has a university and is the second site designated for a nuclear reactor in the country), in 1967 and 1968 and every kid I encountered would ask about any word I used that they weren't familiar with.

Whatever view CidYama has of the "average" Turk it's half a century or more out of date. The question itself betrays arrogance based on ignorance, which I'd suggest is a good working description of prejudice.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 28 Jul 2016, 12:55:50

Erdogan wants army under president's control after coup: Turkish official

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan wants the armed forces and national intelligence agency brought under the control of the presidency, a parliamentary official said on Thursday, part of a major overhaul of the military after a failed coup.

Erdogan's comments came after a five-hour meeting of Turkey's Supreme Military Council (YAS) - chaired by Prime Minister Binali Yildirim and including the top brass - and the dishonorable discharge of nearly 1,700 military personnel over their alleged role in the abortive putsch on July 15-16.

Erdogan, who narrowly escaped capture and possible death on the night of the coup, told Reuters in an interview last week that the military, NATO's second biggest, needed "fresh blood". The dishonorable discharges included around 40 percent of Turkey's admirals and generals.

"The president said that ... he would discuss with opposition parties bringing the General Staff and the MIT (intelligence agency) under the control of the presidency," the parliamentary official said.

Such a change would require a constitutional amendment, so Erdogan's Islamist-rooted AK Party would require the support of opposition parties in parliament, Turkish media said.

Both the General Staff and MIT currently report to the prime minister's office. Putting them under the president's overall direction would be in line with Erdogan's push for a new constitution centered on a strong executive presidency.

Separately, Turkey's biggest petrochemicals company Petkim said its chief executive had resigned and the state-run news agency Anadolu said he had been detained in connection with the failed coup.

Anadolu also said Ankara prosecutors requested the seizure of the assets of 3,049 judges and prosecutors detained as part of the investigation into the coup attempt.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 28 Jul 2016, 15:32:45

@ VOX_Mundi

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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 17:59:45

More plus pretty pictures at low quote
Some 7,000 armed police in heavy vehicles surrounded the Incirlik air base used by NATO forces in Adana in what a Turkish minister called a “security check.” With no official explanation, speculations have arisen about a new coup attempt or VIP visit.

READ MORE: Anti-US rally staged at NATO Incirlik air base in Turkey (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

Hurriyet reported earlier that Adana police had been tipped off about a new coup attempt, and forces were immediately alerted. The entrance to the base was closed off.

Security forces armed with rifles and armored TOMA vehicles used by Turkish riot police could be seen at the site in photos taken by witnesses.


https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish- ... nato-coup/
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:39:17

Next they will be taking control of the base (for it's own security of course), and, of course they will need to take control of the nukes we were too slow to remove (just to be safe), and Erdogan becomes major nuclear power.

If I were Erdogan, and they were right there for the taking ... , and we were so nice to have just upgraded their F-16s designed to carry then... and we could surround the base perimeter with forces while still supposedly an 'ally'...

They could easily mobilize a heavier force to quickly arrive and take the base.

Once the nukes were compromised I would immediately scatter then singly around the countryside to prevent their recapture or destruction.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:54:48

What's your best guess Cid. What's this jerk up to?
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:58:05

I think he's going for the nukes. If you were Hitler II, wouldn't you?

All under the guise of another coup attempt.

He probably got wind we were about to remove them.

If you intended to seize them, the sooner you make your move the better.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:14:20

What is our plan if a host country decides to seize the forward deployed nukes? Would we respond fast enough?

In such a circumstance, the best response would be the immediate nuclear destruction of Incirlik, before they can be moved. That would require an order from the President. I don't think he could act that quickly and decisively.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:17:45

Perhaps. Perhaps he sees Obama as weak/indecisive compared to Hillary or Trump and feels this best chance to make the move. Ballsy.

I hope you are wrong.

I wonder how the fleet is dispersed and about aircraft deployments in NATO.

Keep a weather eye out for developments please.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:28:47

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36937891


Tens of thousands of people in Germany have turned out in support of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in a rally that raised diplomatic tensions.

Mr Erdogan had planned to address the rally in the city of Cologne, held to denounce an attempted coup two weeks ago, by video link.

But on Saturday, Germany's Constitutional Court banned the speech from being broadcast.

German media said at least 35,000 people turned out.

An estimated three million people of Turkish origin live in Germany, the majority of whom voted for Mr Erdogan's AKP party in the last Turkish election, according to the Turkish Communities in Germany organisation.

"We are here because our compatriots in Germany advocate democracy and are against the attempted military coup," Turkey's German-born Sport and Youth Minister Akif Cagatay Kilic said in Cologne.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:31:43

The comparisons with Hitler are tiresome. It's like some sort of truncated category-think that can be outdone by a piece of software. Turkey is not going to launch a blitzkrieg to take over Europe. Erdogan's Daeshi ambitions are much more realistic and slow-paced. He will try to create a salafi caliphate encompassing all of Central Asia and the Middle East. But this is not going to be done through direct invasion (in the foreseeable future) but via support for jihadis in the whole region. Support for jihadis will be increased including from Saudi Arabia.

It's kind of peculiar that Erdogan is following the US script with illicit support for Wahabbist slime. These failed coups look more and more like orchestrated theater (with Uncle Scam's approval). Of course, on the surface Erdogan looks like he is biting Uncle Scam's hand.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:36:15

I think this is new news.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 63961.html

Turkey coup attempt: Government cancels 50,000 passports as global concern grows over crackdown

The Turkish government has cancelled the passports of around 50,000 people to prevent them leaving the country as a crackdown continues following a failed coup.

Efkan Ala, the interior minister, said more than 18,000 have so far been detained over the attempt to oust President Tayyip Erdogan, while thousands of government staff are under investigation.

The purges have provoked alarm in the international community, presenting a major stumbling block for Turkey’s campaign to join the European Union.

Turkey shakes up security forces after coup attempt

Amid calls for restraint from the US and European allies, hundreds of listed conscripts were released from detention and Mr Erdogan announced he was dropping prosecutions against around 2,000 people alleged to have “insulted him”.

Military school students were reportedly among 758 out of 989 conscripts released at the request of the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor after a court ruled that they did not pose a flight risk.

Mr Erdogan’s government is using powers under Turkey’s state of emergency to conduct a wide-ranging crackdown on alleged supporters of the exiled Muslim cleric Fetullah Gulen, who lives in the US.

Authorities say the failed coup on 15 July was staged by a military faction loyal to the Gulen or “Hismet” movement, but it has denied involvement.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:45:09

I didn't ake Cids remark to imply an invasion of Europe but rather the delusions of grandure.

And maybe you are right the USA gave tacit approval. Obama seemed quick to condem the coup.

So now maybe the rabid dog now bites the hand that feeds it? Try's to play Obama against Putin to become the kingmaker in the middle? All the while he sets up his own empire?

One wonders how Isral will respond. Should this threat materialize it will put the Republicans into orbit. The pols will all spin it to effect the elections. Yeah, I can see the USA leadership being paralyzed, or alternatively blundering into some poorly considered response. And one should consider what the EU/NATO think about this. Reaction by committee never works well.

I hope it all blows over. Soon.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:48:54

Incirlik AB has about 1800 US personnel stationed there with perhaps another 1000 deployed there to fight ISIS (mostly pilots & aircraft maintenance). Most are in support positions and thus they have only basic M-16 shooting skills, ie we know which way to point the pointy end of the gun… Security forces number perhaps 200 or so and they would have extensive firearms training. Turkey could easily send in 5000 combat troops and take control of the base after a nasty fire fight with security forces personnel.

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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 20:59:31

President Erdogan can now issue direct orders to Turkish military commanders
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a new presidential decree Sunday that introduced sweeping changes to Turkey’s military in the wake of a July 15 failed coup, bringing the armed forces under his authority.

The decree, the third issued under a three-month state of emergency declared following the attempted coup, gives the president the authority to issue direct orders to the commanders of the army, air force and navy.

It also announces the discharge of 1,389 military personnel, including Erdogan’s chief military adviser, who had been arrested days after the attempted coup, the Chief of General Staff’s charge d’affaires and the defence minister’s chief secretary.

In an interview Saturday with private A Haber television, Erdogan said he also wanted to put the country’s MIT intelligence agency and the chief of general staff’s headquarters under the presidency.


Can you say, "mein Fuhrer"?

Turkey has the 2nd largest military in NATO, second only to the US, all now under his personal control.



Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday criticized the US intelligence chief and a top general for saying that Washington‘s key interlocutors in Turkey are now either purged or jailed following the failed coup attempt.

"Who are you?" Erdogan said, speaking at Turkey‘s security headquarters in Ankara, which was damaged during the bloody coup attempt. "You should know your place."

Many of our interlocutors have been purged or arrested," US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said. "There‘s no question this is going to set back and make more difficult cooperation with the Turks."

General Joseph Votel, the chief of US Central Command, spoke in a similar vein. "We are very dependent on Turkey for basing of our resources. I am concerned that it will impact the level of cooperation and collaboration that we have with Turkey.

In his reaction, Erdogan accused US officials of "taking the side of the putschists."

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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 21:34:06

The powerful imams in Turkey’s 85,000 mosques played a major role in thwarting the attempt to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and in so doing unleashed attacks on Christian places of worship, reports say.

Christians are pointing to a transformation in the political cultural character of Turkey under Erdogan’s Islamist path to power.

“The reality is that Turkey is neither a democracy nor a secular republic,” said Yuce Kabakci, a pastor in Istanbul. “There is no division between government affairs and religious affairs.”

Gangs chanting “Allahu akbar” smashed the glass frontage of a Protestant church in Matalya, the UK’s Express reported. “The attack on the church was light. But it’s significant that it was the only shopfront attack in those three days,” said the church’s minister, Pastor Tim Stone. “We were the only targets.”

Protestants are not allowed to build churches in Turkey. Even the name church must be coupled to the non-threatening “association.”

In the Black Sea city of Trabzon, the Santa Maria church was hit as, under the guise of an anti-coup protest, demonstrators smashed windows and used hammers to break down the church’s door.

Turkey, which once boasted two million Christians, has barely 120,000 remaining, fewer than Iran.

“There’s is an atmosphere in Turkey right now that anyone who isn’t Sunni is a threat to the stability of the nation,” Kabakci said. “Even the educated classes here don’t associate personally with Jews or Christians. It’s more than suspicion. It’s a case of ‘let’s get rid of anyone who isn’t Sunni.’ ”

An Iranian in Istanbul told the Express that “Turkey is like Iran in 1975. I’m sure we will see it become an Islamic Republic very soon.

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Erdogan is in the process of establishing a Salafist dictatorship with the second largest military in NATO. With the strategic location of his country, he will be the controlling factor in Middle East policy.

Since he is allied with Saudi Arabia, we can kiss our meager influence goodbye. Give him nukes and he threatens the world.

Since Syria, Iran, and Iraq are aligned with Russia, I say let them worry about it.

We need to get our nukes and get the hell out of there. Imagine if, during the time of the Shah, we had nukes forward based in Iran. Then the Islamic revolution came. That's where we are right now.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 22:36:36

Let me suggest a small thing here.

Erdogan is not allied with Saudi Arabia. Turkey intends to supplant Saudi Arabia as the spiritual and political leader of Sunni Islam; essentially making SA a vassal and caretaker of religious sites, a very submissive, obedient caretaker of religious sites.
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