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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 23:02:33

That sounds reasonable. I agree, Erdogan intends to be the leading figure. But currently they do have a military alliance against Syria.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 07:16:05

Maybe he sees himself as the one leader who can coalesce the various factions under a single roof. He may see himself as a great peace maker if he can, through tough leadership bring them all to bear in one combined Islamic force.

Wether he can or not remains to be seen. But I can hear the argument, that if they all fall under his rule and cooperate then they can achieve great things. He may be playing the role of the Great Uniter.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 07:31:28

http://fortune.com/2016/07/31/eu-turkey ... -worrying/

He's an evil bastard, a rising trend in politics if you keep track of politics these days.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 10:24:01

Sounds like he is planning to reinvent the Ottoman Empire.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 16:38:17

AgentR11 wrote:Let me suggest a small thing here.

Erdogan is not allied with Saudi Arabia. Turkey intends to supplant Saudi Arabia as the spiritual and political leader of Sunni Islam; essentially making SA a vassal and caretaker of religious sites, a very submissive, obedient caretaker of religious sites.


Sorry, try again. Wahabbism is at the core of the current Sunni salafism. It is an ideology exported by Saudi Arabia and Erdogan is an ardent believer. To claim that they are not allied is utter nonsense. That's like saying Lenin and Trotsky were enemies. The coordination between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the meddling Syria and support for ISIS/Daesh proves that they are Wahabbi Sunni allies.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 19:35:02

We'll see soon enough I think. Should be clear within a couple years; easily within the lifespan of threads on this board.

I do agree that they're all Wahabi; but SA and Qatar aren't even in the same league as Turkey. I believe Erdogan wants to be top-dude on the Sunni political pyramid. Also, I didn't say they were enemies, just not allies (though as Cid noted, are allied in one fashion or another in Syria).
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby BahamasEd » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 19:45:06

Yes, but when your 'friends' tries to put knife in your back....

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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 19:58:17

Stalin had Trosky killed.

Just saying.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Whitefang » Tue 02 Aug 2016, 08:34:16

How about a false flag coup, very succesfull as the ruling mob has total power now. Opponents and media have been taken over. Thousands in one swoop....a great succes.

Besides powers that be are prepping for abrupt CC, last man standing....they want war to wipe out the masses
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Aug 2016, 20:24:50

Newfie wrote:Stalin had Trosky killed.

Just saying.


Trotsky =/= Stalin. Not every collection of zealots kills itself off. Take the Vatican as an example.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Aug 2016, 20:27:22

Whitefang wrote:How about a false flag coup, very succesfull as the ruling mob has total power now. Opponents and media have been taken over. Thousands in one swoop....a great succes.

Besides powers that be are prepping for abrupt CC, last man standing....they want war to wipe out the masses


This is by far the most likely a false flag coup. Every previous coup in Turkey was successful. Real coup planners would not move with such a joke level of preparation.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 03 Aug 2016, 07:57:50

Broadcaster NTV earlier reported that police raided the offices of the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (Tubitak) on Wednesday and detained "many" people.

However, a Tubitak official told Reuters the raid had happened on Sunday, adding he did not have any details about the number of detentions. He declined to comment further.

Tubitak funds science research projects in universities and the private sector and employs more than 1,500 researchers, according to its website.

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The book burnings come next.

Also, just in, Erdogan says death penalty will be reinstated as the 'people' demand it.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 09 Aug 2016, 11:05:26

Turkey’s Erdogan pivots to Putin as tensions rise with the West

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Putin Accepts Erdogan’s Apology, Ends Quarrel between Turkey and Russia

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, at Konstantinovsky Palace near St. Petersburg in the Turkish leader’s first trip abroad since the coup attempt and the sweeping crackdowns that followed — including claims that a U.S.-based Turkish cleric inspired the putsch.

The meeting between Putin and Erdogan “is a big deal . . . Turkish foreign policy now stands at a crossroads,” said Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

“For the first time in recent memory, there is serious discussion of Turkey’s NATO membership,” he said. And some Turkish officials are questioning whether Turkey should move toward Russia, he said.

Erdogan “could easily accomplish this pivot,” Cagaptay said, especially given the reduced state of the Turkish military. The armed forces have the strongest interest in maintaining NATO ties, he said, but are damaged after undergoing thousands of arrests since the coup attempt.


Putin offers Turkey's Erdogan closer ties

Russia is ready to restore economic co-operation and other ties with Turkey, President Vladimir Putin has told his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan in St Petersburg. It is Mr Erdogan's first foreign visit since an attempted coup last month. Mr Erdogan thanked Mr Putin, saying "your call straight after the coup attempt was very welcome"

The visit comes as Turkey's ties with the West have cooled over criticism of Mr Erdogan's purge of alleged coup-plotters.

Before leaving Turkey, Mr Erdogan referred to President Putin as his "friend" and said he wanted to open a new page in relations with Russia. Mr Putin said their talks would cover "the whole range of our relations... including restoring economic ties, combating terrorism".

... Before the dispute, Russia was a major export market for Turkish fruit and vegetables - so now Turkey is anxious to get the Russian import ban lifted. Ditto for TurkStream gas pipeline across the Black Sea and the Akkuyu nuclear plant being built by Russia's Rosatom in Turkey.

They back opposing sides in Syria. Turkey is furious at the scale of Russian air support for Syrian government forces, as Mr Erdogan reviles Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Russia has accused Turkey of backing Islamist anti-Assad groups, including some accused of "terrorism" in Russia.
Turkey is at war with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and the PKK's Syrian allies. Mr Erdogan has accused Russia of arming the PKK.
For centuries Russia and Turkey have been rivals for influence in the Caucasus and Black Sea region.
Turkey was also angered by Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, accusing Moscow of violating the rights of Crimean Tatars. The Muslim Tatars have long had close ties to Turkey.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 09 Aug 2016, 13:59:26

So I guess he is trying to get the USA to outbid Putin for his loyalty.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 10 Aug 2016, 06:59:37

EU making 'serious mistakes' over failed Turkish coup: Turkish minister

The European Union is making serious mistakes in its response to Turkey's failed coup and is losing support for EU membership from Turks as a result, Turkey's foreign minister said on Wednesday.

In an interview with the state-run Anadolu agency, Mevlut Cavusoglu said Turkey's rapprochement with Russia was not meant as a message to the West. However, he said if the West "loses" Turkey it will be because of its own mistakes, not Ankara's good ties with Russia, China or the Islamic world.

His comments reflect the deep frustration in Turkey over the perception that Europe and the United States have given lukewarm support to Ankara after the failed July 15 coup, when a faction of the military commandeered tanks and warplanes in an attempt to topple the government.

"Unfortunately the EU is making some serious mistakes. They have failed the test following the coup attempt," he said in the interview, which was broadcast live.

"Support for EU membership used to be around 50 percent of the population, I assume it is around 20 percent now," he said.

Coming Next: Turk-exit by decree in 3 month because that's 'what the people want'
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Synapsid » Wed 10 Aug 2016, 18:30:46

Turkey is in an interesting position in a number of ways.

For one thing, if Erdogan does establish the death penalty in Turkey (because that is "the will of the people") doesn't that automatically eliminate the possibility of joining the EU? It has seemed to me for quite a while that Erdogan doesn't much care about joining but is quite willing to continue demanding visa-free travel for Turks in the EU as a way to keep the pot boiling in case something tasty hops out. Just speculation.

Erdogan remains in a strong position with regard to his influence over how many refugees can make it to Europe. The refugee question is of huge political importance in the EU and will remain so. It's a powerful tool for nationalist parties wanting to reduce refugee influx.

Turkey must be of tremendous importance in the minds of the powers that be in the EU because of its position along lines of supply of natural gas to Europe. Russia wants to be able to ship NG to Europe without it going through the Ukraine and the Turk Stream project is back on the table. Russian NG already goes to Turkey through the Blue Stream pipeline that crosses the Black Sea from Novorossisk to Samsun; Turkish Stream will be two pipelines when completed, and reach Turkey close to the border with Greece.

The TANAP pipeline that is under construction will carry NG from Azerbaijan through Georgia and Turkey to connect with a pipeline across Greece that will carry NG to Italy, affording another input. Iran has expressed interest in buying into TANAP and possibly later shipping NG on it--more NG in Turkey for the EU to gaze at. If a pipeline were constructed across the Caspian from Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan (a distant possibility at present) still more NG would be available through Turkey. A smaller pipeline has been mentioned to carry NG to Europe from the recent fields discovered off Israel, via a pipeline through Turkey, but that would be a while yet.

(There was mention last week that a NG pipeline from Russia to Bulgaria, which was objected to by the EU for anti-monopoly reasons, is going ahead. Russia is having a good time poking the EU in the ribs, and I confess that I can't blame her for it.)

Turkey looks to me to be in the catbird seat, with regard to the EU. And then there's the question of Turkey's tactical and strategic value to NATO...
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dolanbaker » Thu 11 Aug 2016, 15:09:27

vox_mundi wrote: EU making 'serious mistakes' over failed Turkish coup: Turkish minister

The European Union is making serious mistakes in its response to Turkey's failed coup and is losing support for EU membership from Turks as a result, Turkey's foreign minister said on Wednesday.
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"Support for EU membership used to be around 50 percent of the population, I assume it is around 20 percent now," he said.

Coming Next: Turk-exit by decree in 3 month because that's 'what the people want'

Turkey isn't in the EU and at best, many EU countries were lukewarm to having them in at all with many countries dead against them ever joining. This just sounds like FU EU!
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sun 30 Oct 2016, 17:54:18

U.S. Tells Families of Istanbul Consulate Employees to Leave Turkey

The U.S. government has ordered family members of its Istanbul consulate workers to leave Turkey over security concerns.

A travel warning issued by the State Department on Saturday says the decision is based on security information that indicates extremist groups are continuing aggressive efforts to attack U.S. citizens in Istanbul.
The U.S. Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens of increased threats from terrorist groups throughout Turkey. U.S. citizens should avoid travel to southeast Turkey and carefully consider the risks of travel to and throughout the country. The U.S. Department of State is updating this Travel Warning to reflect the October 29, 2016, decision to order the departure of family members of employees posted to the U.S. Consulate General in Istanbul, Turkey. The Department of State made this decision based on security information indicating extremist groups are continuing aggressive efforts to attack U.S. citizens in areas of Istanbul where they reside or frequent. The Consulate General remains open and fully staffed

The Consulate General remains open and fully staffed and the order applies only to the post in Istanbul, not others in Turkey.

The warning is an update to one issued last week of increased threats from terrorist groups in Turkey. U.S. citizens were told to avoid travel to the southeast part of the country and to consider travel risks.

According to the State Department, international and indigenous terrorist organizations in Turkey are targeting U.S. and other foreign tourists.
The Governor of Ankara, acting under the authority of the recently-extended state of emergency, and on the basis of reported terrorist threats against cities in Turkey, has banned all demonstrations in Ankara province until November 30. The Department continues to monitor the effects of the ongoing state of emergency; recent terrorist incidents in Ankara, Istanbul, Gaziantep, and throughout the Southeast; recurring threats; visible increases in police or military activities; and the potential for restrictions on movement as they relate to the safety and well-being of U.S. citizens in Turkey. Delays or denial of consular access to U.S. citizens detained or arrested by security forces, some of whom also possess Turkish citizenship, continue.

Foreign and U.S. tourists have been explicitly targeted by international and indigenous terrorist organizations in Turkey. In the past year, extremists have carried out attacks in France, Belgium, Germany, Mali, Bangladesh, Tunisia, and Turkey. Additional attacks in Turkey at major events, tourist sites, restaurants, commercial centers, places of worship, and transportation hubs, including aviation services, metros, buses, bridges, bus terminals and sea transport, could occur. Extremists have also threatened to kidnap and assassinate Westerners and U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens are reminded to review personal security plans, monitor local news for breaking events, and remain vigilant at all times.

U.S. Government personnel in Turkey remain subject to travel restrictions in the southeastern provinces of Hatay, Kilis, Gaziantep, Sanliurfa, Sirnak, Diyarbakir, Van, Siirt, Mus, Mardin, Batman, Bingol, Tunceli, Hakkari, Bitlis, and Elazig. In particular, the U.S. Mission to Turkey may prohibit movements by its personnel to these areas on short notice for security reasons, including threats and demonstrations. Due to recent acts of violence, such as the August 20 suicide bombing in Gaziantep, the September 12 bombing in Van, and the potential for reprisal attacks due to continued Turkish military activity in Syria, U.S. citizens are urged to defer travel to large, urban centers near the Turkish/Syrian border. Finally, the Government of Turkey has closed its border with Syria. Border crossings from Syria into Turkey are prohibited, even if the traveler entered Syria from Turkey. Individuals seeking emergency medical treatment or safety from immediate danger are assessed on a case by case basis.


Turkey fires 10,000 more civil servants, shuts media outlets

ISTANBUL — Turkey expanded its sweeping post-coup crackdown over the weekend, issuing two new governmental decrees that dismissed more than 10,000 civil servants and shutting down 15 mostly pro-Kurdish media outlets.

The decrees were passed Saturday, also instituting changes in due process and university administration.

Such decrees have been used to suspend tens of thousands of people from the public sector over suspected links to what the government calls terror organizations.

The latest dismissals include 2,534 personnel from the Justice Ministry, 2,219 from the Education Ministry, 2,774 from the Health Ministry, 1,267 from higher education institutions and 101 from the armed forces. The remaining 1,236 dismissals were across several different government departments and agencies.

The purges are aimed to eradicate a network linked to U.S.-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen, which Ankara accuses of orchestrating the attempted coup. Gulen denies any involvement.

But Turkey’s main opposition party and human rights groups have, however, accused the government of using emergency powers to clamp down on other dissenting voices— not just the Gulen movement— including Kurdish and left-leaning individuals and media outlets.

Saturday’s decree also shuts down 15 mostly pro-Kurdish media outlets over alleged terror ties, including several newspapers, magazines, radio and television channels as well as the Dicle News Agency.

According to the latest figures by the Turkish Journalists’ Association, this latest round of closures brings the total number of outlets shut down to 170. In addition, 105 journalists have been imprisoned, over 700 press credentials revoked and a third of the media are currently unemployed.

The decrees also now allow judges to restrict suspects’ access to lawyers as well as the recording of conversations between terrorism suspects and their lawyers.

The decrees also abolish elections for university presidents, who will now be directly chosen by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan among three candidates presented by the Board of Higher Education.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 31 Oct 2016, 11:58:38

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/26/europ ... aftermath/
Turkey detainees tortured, raped after failed coup, rights group says
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 01 Nov 2016, 04:08:01

NEXT STEP: WAR for

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"Greater Turkey"

100% fitting with actual Turkish Offensives in Syria and Iraq

I dont fool You this is the brutal truth

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Mustafa Kemal Pasha described the province of Mosul as within the Misak-i Milliin various of his statements, first in his speech in the Chamber on 1 May 1920 and finally in his statement of 30 January 1923:

“This border passes through the south of the Gulf of Iskenderun, past Antakya, and reaches the Firat [Euphrates] River south of the Carablus bridge between Aleppo and the Katma station. From there it goes south to Dayr al-Zor, and then extends to the east to take in Mosul, Kirkuk, and Al-Sulaymaniyah.”

It became clear in February of 1923, as the Lausanne negotiations were underway, that this map would not be able to materialize. Thereafter neither the Ghazi [Ataturk] nor [his senior advisers] Ismet [Inonu], Rauf [Orbay], or [Kazim] Karabekir made such statements. Our current borders became final in 1926, and the Republic taught our current borders to young people as being the Misak-i Milli and the fatherland.

An Imperialist Plan?

Turkish nationalists have a “Kirkuk” sensitivity; there are still those that look upon the Misak-i Milliin this way [i.e., seeing these areas of Iraq as rightly belonging to Turkey.]
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