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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 18 May 2009, 14:50:04

You may see conclusions resulting from the analysis of facts, historical trends in production, discovery, and the progress of alternatives to oil as hypocrisy, thats your perogitive. I dont share your OPINION.

Your personal attacks detract from your ability to wage a credible argument OF.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 18 May 2009, 14:51:09

CERA??? Oh you've got to be kidding! :lol:
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 14:56:57

AirlinePilot wrote:CERA??? Oh you've got to be kidding! :lol:

Beats ace any day.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 18 May 2009, 15:00:30

OilFinder2 wrote:
AP wrote:We know what your position is OF, we also think your wrong. This website is all about opinion and debate.

You are right, this website is all about opinion and debate. Which makes me wonder - why, if I post an article saying "gas hydrates in the GOM could be a promising future energy source," or, "A new discovery in Mexican waters will produce 250K bpd by 2015," I am attacked as if I were Satan incarnate.


Your mischaracterization of an argument into some form of an attack is an interesting observation OF. Calm down a bit. Debate and arguments dont have to degenrate. if you let them you risk losing the gist of your message. You need to thicken up your skin a bit or you wont enjoy the banter here my boy!

Look, we disagree, Its obvious, but when those who disagree with you put up credible arguments, dont just start slinging the mud. Come up with something formidable in the form of facts, numbers, concrete evidence etc. So far I have not seen that from you. I have what i consider to be a good ability to weigh both sides of an issue. On this one your not being convincing.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 15:02:27

AirlinePilot wrote:You may see conclusions resulting from the analysis of facts, historical trends in production, discovery, and the progress of alternatives to oil as hypocrisy, thats your perogitive. I dont share your OPINION.

I also make my conclusions based on historical trends in production, discoveries, and the progress of alternatives to oil (more). But you either ignore me, or scoff at it.

SP wrote:Your personal attacks detract from your ability to wage a credible argument OF.

Your personal attacks detract from your ability to wage a credible argument, AP.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 15:07:44

AirlinePilot wrote:Your mischaracterization of an argument into some form of an attack is an interesting observation OF. Calm down a bit. Debate and arguments dont have to degenrate. if you let them you risk losing the gist of your message. You need to thicken up your skin a bit or you wont enjoy the banter here my boy!

Look, we disagree, Its obvious, but when those who disagree with you put up credible arguments, dont just start slinging the mud. Come up with something formidable in the form of facts, numbers, concrete evidence etc. So far I have not seen that from you. I have what i consider to be a good ability to weigh both sides of an issue. On this one your not being convincing.

I will "attack" you or anyone else who attacks and ridicules me for posting articles stating, "New Mexican oil field to produce 250K bpd by 2015" or "GOM gas hydrates could be a promising new energy source." And the reason why I will attack back at those who attack my posting of such articles is because such attacks on those articles are 100% hypocritical. Plain and simple. If I cannot make projections about the future just as you and everyone else here does, then those who tell me I cannot make such projections get from me what they deserve.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 15:48:25

Actually pstarr, my signature is a lot better than yours. Why? Content issues aside, it's because I understand the correct use of commas, whereas you don't.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 15:54:24

pstarr wrote:No one know what your agenda is. You need to explain why you spend so much time here insulting mostly decent people. What is your problem? Why not come out and say it plainly. Tell us whether you are an a mean SSRI junkie, a paid industry/KSA shill, a government plant, or just an unbalanced psycho.

For the 3rd time, I do GIS for an Indian tribe. I have never worked for an energy company. I do not own any stocks in any company anywhere. I post here for the entertainment value, because I find the subject matter interesting, and last, but not least, to do you a favor: To forewarn you that the doomsday you await will not arrive. Yes that's true, I am actually being nice by trying to ease you out of your addiction to doom, so that when said doom does not arrive after years and decades, you will have been forewarned.

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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:03:50

pstarr wrote:
OilFinder2 wrote:Actually pstarr, my signature is a lot better than yours. Why? Content issues aside, it's because I understand the correct use of commas, whereas you don't.
Wrong again.

Wiki wrote:The serial comma (also known as the Oxford comma or Harvard comma) is the comma used immediately before a grammatical conjunction (nearly always and or or; sometimes nor) that precedes the last item in a list of three or more items. For example, a list of three countries might be indicated by the phrase "Portugal, Spain, and France", which is written with the serial comma, or by the phrase "Portugal, Spain and France", which is written without it.[1][2][3]
You omitted the comma. I didn't. :badgrin:

No no no silly. Wrong comma. Compare the commas in our two signatures again. Hint: Your omission of a certain comma makes your sig a run-on sentence.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:06:07

pstarr wrote:Oily didn't your momma ever teach you manners?

Don't give advice to people who don't ask for it.

So, if a guy is about to jump off a bridge to commit suicide and tells me he doesn't want my advice to stop and think it through, then I should just keep my trap shut and let him kill himself.

Uhh . . . OK . . .
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:36:51

I use 'installed' as an adjective (rather than a passive predicate) in both instances, and so in neither case is a comma required.

Ah, I see. Well then, it's still confusing. A more understandable way to write it might be:
PD. Peak Despair - when installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro is not sufficient to maintain installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro.

Or:
PD. Peak Despair: When installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro is not sufficient to maintain installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro.

Placing the "When" at the beginning of a new sentence makes it seem like a whole new thought, and the "When installed" as a predicate at the beginning of the sentence. If you more clearly attach the "When installed nuclear . . ." to the first 2 sentences with either a dash or a colon the meaning of the "installed" will become more clear.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:42:15

pstarr wrote:
OilFinder2 wrote:
pstarr wrote:Oily didn't your momma ever teach you manners?

Don't give advice to people who don't ask for it.

So, if a guy is about to jump off a bridge to commit suicide and tells me he doesn't want my advice to stop and think it through, then I should just keep my trap shut and let him kill himself.

Uhh . . . OK . . .
Are you completely out of your mind?

You seem to equate preparation with suicide? :?

If a guy is taking drastic actions to prepare for what he thinks is an imminent attack by aliens, you're telling me I have no right to give him advice and tell him his alien invasion is not going to arrive, if he does not want such advice.

I suppose I could continue to let him live in his folly, but when his alien attack does not arrive, he will be all the more shocked and disappointed as he would have been if I had given him advice and evidence he was mistaken in his beliefs. As I said, I'm doing him a favor, though he won't realise it until after the fact.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:46:20

BTW, there is still one more grammatical error. It should be this:
PD. Peak Despair - when installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro are not sufficient to maintain installed nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro.
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Re: U.S. Gulf gas hydrate find most promising yet - DOE

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 18 May 2009, 16:50:58

pstarr wrote:Don't you have any friends? Are you an emotional idiot? Do you actually expect me to respond to this? Is this conversation over?

That was a very weak response.
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