MD wrote:I'm hungry for grass fed beef.
Buck’s (1930) detailed statistics gathered in several Chinese provinces during the early 1920s show annual meatintakes as low as 1.7 kg/family in today’s Hebei (i.e., less than 300 g a year per capita) and as high as just over 30 kg (or about 5 kg/capita) in Jiangsu.
His later (1929–33) surveys in 22 provinces of the country indicated average daily consumption of about 80 kcal of meat for adult males, all but 15 percent of it being pork (Buck 1937). This rate translates to about 8 kg of meat (including lard) per working adult male or to less than 3 kg/capita.
...even in privileged Rome average per capita supply of meat fell from almost 40 kg during the late sixteenth century to around 30 kg by 1700 (Revel 1979), and in Naples the decline was even steeper, by two-thirds, between 1570 and 1770 (Flandrin 1999). Average German per capita meat consumption was less than 20 kg before 1820 (Abel 1980), and even as late as the 1860s meat consumption of the poorer half of the English population was barely above 10 kg (Fogel 1991)
Ibon wrote:Most estimations of pre columbian indigenous populations in the Americas were grossly underestimated. The real numbers will never be known. Relevant to this thread is that even if some mega fauna went extinct during the Pleistocene when the first humans arrived the populations that did exist at the time of the first Europeans were within the carrying capacity of their environments. If they controlled burned and increased grasslands they were able to increase their carrying capacity. This was not at the wholesale expense of natural ecosystems. Isn't that the point.
I will predict that if we really do start seeing even a fifth of the draconian consequences coming true that climate scientists are predicting we are going to see serious declines in agricultural output in the decades ahead. Most likely this will automatically resolve the issue of this thread since everyone will be eating more grains and less meat.
Think of the chinese diet before and after the recent economic success of the country to get an idea of this. How many grams of meat per week was your average Chinese eating in 1965 vs 2017?
As climate change consequences eliminate marginal agricultural lands we will re calibrate our diets much the same way. Of course if vast boreal forest lands convert to grasslands then maybe not but I for one do not see a seamless transition of our overshot population by simply moving north with crops. Bottlenecks will happen. Sorely needed actually.
Anthropologist Michael Heckenberger of the University of Florida teamed with the local Kuikuro people in the Brazilian state of Mato Grosso to uncover 28 towns, villages and hamlets that may have supported as many as 50,000 people within roughly 7,700 square miles (20,000 square kilometers) of forest—an area slightly smaller than New Jersey. The larger towns boasted defensive ditches 10 feet (three meters) deep and 33 feet (10 meters) wide backed by a wooden palisade as well as large plazas, some reaching 490 feet (150 meters) across.
The remains of houses and ceramic cooking utensils show that humans occupied these cities for around 1,000 years, from roughly 1,500 years to as recently as 400 years ago. Satellite pictures reveal that during that time, the inhabitants carved roads through the jungle; all plaza villages had a major road that ran northeast to southwest along the summer solstice axis and linked to other settlements as much as three miles (five kilometers) away. There were bridges on some of the roads and others had canoe canals running alongside them.
dohboi wrote:ya, ya...
Tell me, I am hearing rumors on line that there is conspicuous absence of moths in NoCal, moths that are usually quite thick there this time of years, esp. at night.
Are you seeing that in your neck of the redwoods?
(And just to make it a bit less OT, how do you like to grill your favorite moth?![]()
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KaiserJeep wrote:Ibon, soundly done!
Russian investigators believe a couple arrested for murder in the city of Krasnodar may have practiced cannibalism for nearly 20 years and hidden victims' remains in their freezer and saline-filled jars occasionally used to supply "frozen meat pieces" to soldiers at a nearby military academy.
Police detained Natalia Baksheev, 42, and her husband Dmitry Baksheev, 35, earlier this month after the discovery of a series of grisly selfies on a cell phone showed graphic images of dismembered body parts. In one photo published in Russia media, Dmitry Baksheev appears to pose with what Russia's interior ministry described as "different parts" of a human body in his mouth.
To Serve Man" is episode 89 of the anthology series The Twilight Zone.[1][2][3][excessive citations] It originally aired on March 2, 1962 on CBS.
The story is based on the 1950 short story "To Serve Man", written by Damon Knight.[4] The title is a play on the verb serve, which has a dual meaning of "to assist" and "to provide as a meal". The episode is one of the few instances in the series wherein an actor breaks the fourth wall and addresses the viewing audience at the episode's end. The episode, along with the line "It's a cookbook!" have become elements in pop culture.
dohboi wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/04/livestock-farming-artificial-meat-industry-animals
Goodbye – and good riddance – to livestock farming
So approximate annual average calorie intake from lamb is 14,700kcal. Annual average total calorie intake per person in the UK is approximately 1,250,000 kcal. Therefore lamb provides roughly 1.18% of our calories.
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