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LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 May 2012, 07:06:54

kublikhan wrote:
The 1 MW plant has been delivered and is working in a military concern. It has been made in the USA
You don't say? Didn't Rossi just tell us the exact opposite:

Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the Energy Catalyzer, told an inspector from the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control that he has no factory in the United States. Rossi’s statements contradict nearly everything he has said in the last year about his claims of a factory.
Florida Bureau: Rossi Has No Factory

So now Rossi has flip flopped again to he does have a factory in the US? Seriously, does anyone believe anything he says? This guy lies every time he opens his mouth.


Where does he say it's HIS factory in the USA?
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby KingM » Tue 15 May 2012, 08:25:39

I think it's time to let this thread die. I'd love for this technology to be real, but it's pretty clear that it's a scam.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby diemos » Tue 15 May 2012, 08:39:27

Rune wrote:Yeah, Rossi couldn't ship to anyone without certifications. He wouldn't be able to collect money from licensees without some sort of certification.


Luckily electric tea kettles aren't that hard to certify. You just need to have the right gauge of power cord and some insulation so the consumer doesn't burn themselves.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby diemos » Tue 15 May 2012, 08:42:24

Alcassin wrote:
That's a pure lie in one sentence.


This is such a target rich environment that I'm willing to let that one slide as bad english from a non-native speaker. God knows how incoherent I'd sound in Italian.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 May 2012, 08:46:24

KingM wrote:I think it's time to let this thread die. I'd love for this technology to be real, but it's pretty clear that it's a scam.


KingM's idea of hisStory.......

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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 May 2012, 08:49:26

diemos wrote:
Rune wrote:Yeah, Rossi couldn't ship to anyone without certifications. He wouldn't be able to collect money from licensees without some sort of certification.


Luckily electric tea kettles aren't that hard to certify. You just need to have the right gauge of power cord and some insulation so the consumer doesn't burn themselves.


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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Alcassin » Tue 15 May 2012, 12:00:11

diemos wrote:
Rune wrote:Yeah, Rossi couldn't ship to anyone without certifications. He wouldn't be able to collect money from licensees without some sort of certification.


Luckily electric tea kettles aren't that hard to certify. You just need to have the right gauge of power cord and some insulation so the consumer doesn't burn themselves.


Imagine 1MW electric kettle! That would be huge and awesome! 8O
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 15 May 2012, 12:53:36

Alcassin wrote:
diemos wrote:
Rune wrote:Yeah, Rossi couldn't ship to anyone without certifications. He wouldn't be able to collect money from licensees without some sort of certification.


Luckily electric tea kettles aren't that hard to certify. You just need to have the right gauge of power cord and some insulation so the consumer doesn't burn themselves.


Imagine 1MW electric kettle! That would be huge and awesome! 8O


Electric kettles are pretty sophisticated these days. That one is cordless and has a nifty "Blue backlit water window ". An e-cat kettle would have a lot of stiff competition.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby kublikhan » Tue 15 May 2012, 14:50:05

vision-master wrote:Where does he say it's HIS factory in the USA?
Rossi also said:

An inspector from the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control said that Rossi told him "No nuclear reactions occur during the process;" and "There are no radiation readings above background when the device is in operation;" and "Currently all production, distribution and use of these devices is overseas."
Rossi Tells Florida Bureau He Has No U.S. Factory

Sorry vision, no way to wiggle out of this one. Rossi was caught in another bald face lie. I can't even keep track of how many of this guys statements have proven to be lies. It's not even a surprise anymore when he tells whoppers.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 15 May 2012, 16:03:36

Rune wrote:ecat.com

News update from Andrea Rossi and ECAT.com in May
One ECAT 1 MW plant has been delivered and is working in a military facility. Andrea Rossi recently made the following statement:
“The 1 MW plant has been delivered and is working in a military concern.

So sad... now our e-cat will become to be a military secret and end up very much like plenty of Tesla's free energy inventions.

[*]The industrial plants will get the necessary certification within weeks.

By a High Committee of Fraudmasters?

[*]The price for an E-Cat 1 MW plant is still $1.5M; orders can be made from the inquiry form on the right side at this website.

Why not to sell them on the e-bay?
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 15 May 2012, 16:05:33

kublikhan wrote:
vision-master wrote:Where does he say it's HIS factory in the USA?
Rossi also said:

An inspector from the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control said that Rossi told him "No nuclear reactions occur during the process;" and "There are no radiation readings above background when the device is in operation;" and "Currently all production, distribution and use of these devices is overseas."
Rossi Tells Florida Bureau He Has No U.S. Factory

Sorry vision, no way to wiggle out of this one. Rossi was caught in another bald face lie. I can't even keep track of how many of this guys statements have proven to be lies. It's not even a surprise anymore when he tells whoppers.


For the past several decades, Rossi has been an inveterate, pathological liar of the highest magnitude. There are dozens of examples of this ... why does ANYONE believe ANYTHING this swindler has to say?
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Tue 15 May 2012, 16:32:44

I don't think you are looking at the big picture EU.

Carhole says he has to follow this exciting story no matter how ludicrous it becomes.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Tue 15 May 2012, 17:01:20

Cog wrote:I don't think you are looking at the big picture EU. Carhole says he has to follow this exciting story no matter how ludicrous it becomes.

If you don't like the thread, don't click on it, Text deleted..
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Alcassin » Tue 15 May 2012, 17:15:32

Rune wrote:If you don't like the thread, don't click on it, Ad hom deleted.

We love the thread! We really love it, the more ridiculous it gets the more we feel attracted to it. :)
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Tue 15 May 2012, 19:11:21

Alcassin wrote:
Rune wrote:If you don't like the thread, don't click on it, Ad hom deleted..
We love the thread! We really love it, the more ridiculous it gets the more we feel attracted to it. :)

Exactly!!! This thread is pure internet comedy gold.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Tue 15 May 2012, 23:10:11

“Reviving Cold Fusion” — The American Chemical Society covers LENR

The most recent issue of the American Chemical Society’s Chemical and Engineering News magazine includes an article entitled, “Reviving Cold Fusion.” written by Steven K. Ritter. The brief summary reads, “After 20-plus years of outcast status, unconventional heat-producing nuclear reactions still seem plausible”. The ACS does not permit its publications to be published for free online, and copyright restrictions allow me to only provide selected excerpts here.

The article is really a review of the history and current state of LENR, much of its content is what people following recent developments in LENR research already know. Ritter contacted a number of people involved in the field, including Dennis Bushnell of NASA, Robert Duncan of the University of Missouri, Steven B. Krivit of New Energy Times, and Andrea Rossi. Quite a bit of the article is devoted to describing Rossi’s E-Cat, and emphasizes that as yet it is unproven.

Ritter contacted a number of people involved in the field, including Dennis Bushnell of NASA, Robert Duncan of the University of Missouri, Steven B. Krivit of New Energy Times, and Andrea Rossi. Quite a bit of the article is devoted to describing Rossi’s E-Cat, and emphasizes that as yet it is unproven.

Bushnell maintains that, “From more than two decades of experiments producing heat and transmutations, ‘something’ is real and happening.”

Krivit says of the E-Cat, ““Rossi has no credible evidence for his extraordinary claims, I have stopped paying attention to him.”

Duncan states, ” “I don’t need to have an opinion about the E-Cat. Nobody does. Rossi is claiming to be going commercial with it. If he does deliver to the marketplace, then the marketplace will decide the efficacy of the technology.”

Duncan explains that his work at the University of Missouri is focused on trying to understand the scientific origin of the anomalous heat effects in LENR, and is not involved in commercial pursuits. Duncan also says, “I like to call it an anomalous heat effect rather than cold fusion or a low-energy nuclear reaction,” Duncan says, “because we still don’t know exactly what the mechanism is.”


The article is positive on the reality anomalous heat effects attributed to LENR.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 May 2012, 18:13:11

Duncan says, “because we still don’t know exactly what the mechanism is.”


Turn off the diesel generator running in the background and you might be able to figure it out. :lol:
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 21 May 2012, 13:11:34

Off topic, inappropriate posts deleted. Please stay on topic.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 24 May 2012, 09:49:03

Cold Fusion device at M.I.T.

Here's a video of a Cold Fusion device called the NANOR at M.I.T. It is a small, low temperature, classroom research model invented by Mitchell Swartz (I misspelled his name in the credits) and has been monitored at the classroom of Professor Peter Hagelstein at M.I.T. for five months, producing 10 - 14 times more energy than it takes to run it.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Rune » Thu 24 May 2012, 15:05:57

Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, the Realism and the Outlook by Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist, NASA Langley Research Center

The current situation is that we now have over two decades of hundreds of experiments worldwide indicating heat and transmutations with minimal radiation and low energy input. By any rational measure, this evidence indicates something real is occurring. So, is LENR "Real?" Evidently, from the now long standing and diverse experimental evidence. And, yes - with effects occurring from using diverse materials, methods of energy addition etc. This is far from a "Narrow Band" set of physical phenomena.

The next consideration is "What is real? What is happening?" For NASA Langley, the epiphany moment on LENR was the publication of the Widom-Larsen Weak Interaction LENR Theory. It is currently under study and experimental verification (or not) at Langley. The theory appears to explain nearly all the various and often variegated experimental observations and shifted the LENR theoretical focus from some way of "fooling" Particle Nuclear Physics/The Strong Force to Condensed Matter Nuclear Physics, Collective Effects, The Weak Force and "Heavy Electrons."

Therefore, the LENR situation and outlook is the following:

  • Something real is happening.
  • The weak interaction theories suggest what the physics might be.
  • There are efforts ongoing to explore the validity of the theories.
  • There are continuing Edisonian efforts to produce "devices" mainly for heat or in some cases transmutations.
  • There are efforts to "certify" such devices.
  • NASA LaRC has begun LENR design studies guided by the Weak Interaction Theory

No promises, but some seriously "strange" things are going on, which we may be closer to understanding and if we can optimize/engineer such, the world changes. Worldwide, it is worth far more resources than are currently being devoted to this research arena. There is a need to core down and determine "truth" and if useful, the need to engineer and apply.


e-catworld (w/video)

Simultaneous to the release of Bushnell’s article is a video featuring NASA’s Dr. Joseph Zawodny, Senior Research Scientist at Langney Research Center entitled Abundant Clean/Green Energy. Zawodny’s focus in the video is also on the Widom-Larsen theory, and explains how they are trying to test its correctness.

The ultimate goal, according to Zawodny is to find a way to create an inexpensive, clean form of energy which could be used not only by NASA in its space operations, but also something that could provide cheap, abundant energy for the whole world.


Let the vehemence and moronic vitriol begin again.
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