LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Quinny]

And WTF does that mean VM?

[EnergyUnlimited]

And WTF does that mean VM?

It seems that he is off meds now.

[cipi604]

Bottom line, if he was really producing that many gamma-rays we would be able to tell. Even with the shielding in place.

Nice numbers

But from where did you get the "Several kiloWatts worth of gamma rays" , I mean let's say it produces gamma rays, all the tests show very low levels.
The reactor can not produce just gamma rays. The energy is going to spread mostly through heat .The gamma rays in this case are supposed to be a 'we don't know level' which is a lot smaller than "Several kiloWatts worth of gamma rays" . There is a guy on youtube who measured some stuff. He says he measured some. Some is not zero.

I hope you follow me here

And yes this guy Rossi is a waste of time. Defkalion says july. Waiting is for free.

P.S. Did you see the gas prices lately?!?!?

[Rune]

Defkalion Announcement

Markus NApr 12, 2012 (edited) - Public
Defkalion Green Technologies
3 Xanthou Street
Glyfada 16674
Greece

10th April, 2012

Dear Sirs,
You have shown interest in our company either for commercial, technical, scientific or research-based reasons. This letter is sent to you privately; it is not a press release, nor intended for publication. We will soon be making our public announcements accordingly. We honour our word to reciprocate your good will and interest in our work during a period that could be defined as “business as unusual”. From now on, we progress full steam ahead, business as usual.

For over 20 years many have believed in the existence of a new thermal energy source known as Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). A considerable body of literature, measurements and tests have been pursued by laboratories in many countries. The LENR field has yet to provide a concrete understanding of the fundamental theory. A lot of work still needs to be done in the theoretical analysis and beyond.

Defkalion scientific team consists of scientific and engineering experts. It has successfully managed to trigger and monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen nuclei. This unique LENR technology is based on proprietary methodologies and engineering designs.

Defkalion has conducted third party tests on its core technology by internationally recognized and reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. Today, there is solid, unambiguous evidence confirming our technology. We are at the dawn of a new era of clean, inexpensive, limitless renewable energy.

We believe that LENR is a technology that should be benefited by everybody. Our core philosophy and vision were always based on responsible use. We believe in creating new opportunities for fossil free energy which will have a huge impact on climate change and carbon emissions. It goes without saying that our technology will also have a great positive impact on the Greek economy with dynamic implications on the global economy. We support the transition of low cost energy to third world countries while also showing commitment to an entirely new field of scientific research that will initiate new products through research and development as well as the rebirth of high cost energy technologies.

It is unlikely that the commercialization of LENR technology will have an immediate significant decrease in fossil fuel consumption, but a very dramatic psychological impact is expected. Investors will see the medium and long-term implications of significantly lower energy prices, and consequentially lower the assessed value of soon-to-be obsolete energy infrastructure, conventional energy companies, and long-term contracts for their relatively expensive products.

Defkalion will become the first global player in LENR using its proprietary technology to commercialize its new products and diversify into new Research & Development efforts for new applications. It plans to have a fully operational prototype ready by July 2012.

Defkalion has the most advanced technical and business development in this new energy paradigm as confirmed and verified by long time LENR experts. Although we still have some more months ahead of us before our commercial product is finalized for market entry, we are ready today to share our plans with potential partners.

Our launch-strategy for this technology with minimal risk of failure encompasses fast speed, wide applications, many countries, competitive pricing, protection against competition, as well as in-depth international support.
Your interest represents one of over 1,000 entities from more than 70 countries. Our business with potential partners is two-fold: either as an OEM to manufacture, sell and service our products in given countries, or to jointly create R&D project towards new applications using our technology.

Defkalion business is primarily a technology licensing company with expected revenues being generated from the following models:

a. OEM License Agreements
Licenses to build and sell Hyperion products are sold to companies with exclusivity for a given country. Each license sold for Euros 40.5 million represents one factory with maximum capacity 300,000 units annually (varying capacity and numbers of factories will change the fee accordingly). No further royalty fees are paid by Licensees. Powder (cartridge format) will be sold as a component to each Hyperion unit.

Defkalion selects one company as OEM from every country based on their readiness to run this technology in their country, their willingness to execute the project, and their ability to handle a 100 million Euro investment.
Defkalion shall provide to every OEM Licensee a full Transfer of Technology & Know-How concerning production, maintenance, installation and recharge of Hyperion products. This will be done after signing of contracts and will be done in phases through a deliverables matrix.

b. Joint Ventures through R&D
Companies can further develop Defkalion’s proprietary LENR technology as a heat source through joint R&D for specific processes and/or applications according to their expertise as global leaders in their own industry. Defkalion shall partner with them with global distribution rights as niche market players, where R&D is coordinated in Greece.
Existing interest has already come from the following sectors: marine propulsion; water desalination; automobile; small aircraft; mining/extraction; telecom towers; cooling/heating; green-houses; fertilizers; food & beverage; cement; commercial heating; household heating; drying industry; data storage; hospitals; airport take-off & landing strips; district heating; battery charging.

Should you be interested to continue through one of these approaches, please contact us accordingly. For entities and/or individuals that wish simply to purchase units, you will have to wait until there is a representative in your country. For businesses and/or technical interests, we will need from you the following:

Entity name, CEO/Director’s name, main address, website, contact details
History, operational overview, LENR interest

Future milestone events that you can expect from Defkalion are the following:
Presentation of a fully functioning prototype shown to the international scientific community, open to the world’s media, during the summer of 2012.

Not long after, an international press conference with all the companies involved in this project and the OEMs from each country having signed a contract with us.

We look forward to hearing from those of you whose interest corresponds to our business models. We wish the rest of you - whose anticipation remains the witnessing of a final product - patience and support.

Kind Regards,

Symeon Tsalikoglou
Director, Business Development & Marketing
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd.

Still waiting for test results. Still can't see a scam.

[diemos]

It is unlikely that the commercialization of LENR technology will have an immediate significant decrease in fossil fuel consumption

How true. In fact, the commercialization of LENR technology will have no impact whatsoever.

Still can't see a scam.

Which say far more about you than it does about LENR.

[Rune]

Still can't see a scam.

Which say far more about you than it does about LENR.

You simply cannot do what they say they intend to do without government and commercial authorizations. It's against the law to sell a product such as defkalion claims it has without proper authorizations. Defkalion claims it has these now; we just haven't seen the test results yet.

[Cog]

More tests of rubber hoses venting steam into a sink and diesel generators running in the background?

lsol

[diemos]

It's against the law to sell a product such as defkalion claims it has without proper authorizations.

Yes.

It's called ... a scam.

Happens all the time.

Just like it's against the law to kill people and yet people get killed all the time. Just like it's against the law to rob people and yet people get robbed all the time.

[vision-master]

Welcome to the 21th century - heretical perversity remains.......

[dbruning]

"Defkalion selects one company as OEM from every country based on their readiness to run this technology in their country, their willingness to execute the project, and their ability to handle a 100 million Euro investment."

I guess the question is, if you pay 40 million for the license to distribute....does that give you redress if the product you are distributing doesn't provide what you initially thought it would?

It was boring sitting on one side of the fence, so I've hopped back onto it just to read the ongoing discussion Definitely interested in seeing 3rd party credible government/scientific community test results, rather than just hearing they have been done.

[Rune]

It's against the law to sell a product such as defkalion claims it has without proper authorizations.

Yes.

It's called ... a scam.

Happens all the time.

Just like it's against the law to kill people and yet people get killed all the time. Just like it's against the law to rob people and yet people get robbed all the time.

You misunderstand... again.

You cannot set-up such infrastructure arrangements without proper commercial and governmental authorizations. It would be pointless for any participant to send in licensee money without these. It just would not happen. Commercial procedures must be followed. This is a basic fact.

Defkalion has alerted interested participants in the Hyperion sales/marketing/manufacturing/third-party add-ons arenas that these certifications are in good order, test results will be forthcoming soon. Thus, they can begin making more concrete plans to get involved.

Operational prototype to be unveiled in July 2012.

NOW do you understand?

[Cog]

You will never see 3rd party independent testing. Just like the Rossi scam.

[Keith_McClary]

You cannot set-up such infrastructure arrangements without proper commercial and governmental authorizations. It would be pointless for any participant to send in licensee money without these. It just would not happen. Commercial procedures must be followed. This is a basic fact.

Defkalion has alerted interested participants in the Hyperion sales/marketing/manufacturing/third-party add-ons arenas that these certifications are in good order, test results will be forthcoming soon. Thus, they can begin making more concrete plans to get involved.

Operational prototype to be unveiled in July 2012.

NOW do you understand?

Why would they not announce these certifications publicly? It is public information anyway, you must be able to confirm it by contacting government agencies. The "interested participants"
will have investors and bankers who will want to check this.

Also, the idea of a factory in each country is weird. Nowadays you just have one big factory in China.

[Alcassin]

Carlhole, I have a short question for you.

When you will stop your interest in cold fusion? I mean what time do you need to abandon your interest in it, and how long should it take for you to stop supporting the idea that there is anything true in cold fusion as the meaningful evidence is not provided? Give me a reasonable time.

I ask because it is meaningless to wait for perpetuum mobile, but many in the PESN grasp the idea that science is some kind of monolith backed with evil authorities so the prepetuum mobile is there but shadow evil forces won't let it happen. They are lost, so nobody should care.

[PrestonSturges]

As I said before, why does he have to convince anyone when he can just sell electricity?

It's like he has a machine that turns lead into gold and he wants to sell the machines. Why bother to sell the machine when you can just sell the gold?

[Rune]

When you will stop your interest in cold fusion?

Session 462 Advanced Concepts: LENR, Anti-Matter, and New Physics

Nuclear and Emerging Technologies for Space Conference

On Friday, March 23 I attended Session 462 Advanced Concepts: LENR, Anti-Matter, and New Physics of the Nuclear and Emerging Technologies for Space conference, one day after speaking with George H. Miley who would be presenting A Game-Changing Power Source for Spacecraft at the session.

Part 1 of event was an account of my talk with Professor Miley.
Part 2 continues with this paraphrase of the four talks included in Session 462. Unable to obtain video of the event, an audio recording formed the basis of this summary.

The Session Chair was Harry “Sonny” White, a member of Johnson Space Center Advance Propulsion Team, and he put together an ambitious group of speakers. Spacecraft power and propulsion systems based on LENR, anti-matter, and quantum vacuum flucuations are clearly being eyed by NASA. A new laboratory Eagleworks to research “speculative” technologies like the quantum vacuum thruster is currently being set-up at the Johnson Space Center with the participation of Dr. White.

I'll stop being interested in cold fusion when people like the above stop being interested in it. Duh!

[Rune]

Piantelli Presents Nickel-Hydrogen LENR Research 20 Watts In and 71 Watts Out

Comments:

If this is legitimate the entire world is about to change, geo-politics around the world will have to be rethought. Fresh Water and the ability to pump it from the desalination plants on the coast to the most isolated places on the planet will be practically free. Irrigation costs will plummet, as well as food prices and all utility services. Hydrogen fuel cells and electric cars will completely replace petrol gasoline and diesel, making transportation of goods and people practically free. All the money once spent on such things will flow into the economy. The environment will recover. Wars over resources will start the process of ending once and for all. Peace and prosperity, Science rising as religion fades, Humanity reaching out to the Stars, the birth of the Federation, I might even get laid!

[Rune]

A little more from Defkalion

Defkalion has posted a little more news about its plans to commercialize a cold fusion device similar to Andrea Rossi’s ecat at its website. The company stated that it is developing a commercial prototype that will form the basis of a broad range of industrialized low energy nuclear reaction devices to be marketed under the Hyperion brand name.

Licensing of all the products is supposedly in progress. Product testing to comply with European Union safety certifications is apparently underway. The products will product between six to 30 times the power put into them. The company has previously announced that independent testing of its technology is underway.

No description of the Hyperion LENR units or their capabilities has been posted on the website. Pictures of a mockup of a Hyperion have appeared online in the past. Although a spec sheet is available. Defkalion has previously announced that the Hyperion would be a heating device and could be used in industrial applications.

Defkalion claims to have three factories in Xanthi in northern Greece. Unlike Andrea Rossi, it has been willing to reveal their facilities’ location and even invite people there. Interestingly enough those who’ve visited have come away impressed.

Defkalion’s business plan appears to be a combination of manufacturing and licensing. It’ll first manufacture it in Greece then license it to be sold in other countries.

[cipi604]

As I said before, why does he have to convince anyone when he can just sell electricity?

It's like he has a machine that turns lead into gold and he wants to sell the machines. Why bother to sell the machine when you can just sell the gold?

Your economical model is a billion times slower than what they try to do.

[Rune]

Brillouin: "Understanding How LENR Works Will Enable Us to Be First"

Brief Review of LENR Show

One of the most exciting fields in the exotic free energy world right now is colloquially called "Cold Fusion," or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) -- "low energy" referring to the relatively low energy required to instigate the nuclear event that produces copious amounts of energy, usually cleanly.

There are several things that make it exciting. For me, the rebel element of something that mainstream academia for so long called "junk science" finally being vindicated over and over brings huge satisfaction and a grin to my face. The fact that there are multiple groups competing for the "first to market" honor, not just one, and that each group has certain elements that make them strong, and others that make them weak, so the potential winner is not obvious, adds to the intrigue. Another point of high interest is the human drama involved, both within each group as well as between the competing groups. Moments of heroism are intermingled with moments of infamy.

It's like the horse race of the century, with several strong contestants taking turns in front.

What is dumbfounding to me is that more people don't share in the excitement of following the saga that is destined to change the planet profoundly: making energy affordable, clean, distributed, portable, sustainable, and opening all kinds of new opportunities (such as flying cars and asteroid mining), not to mention creating gobs of jobs.

With the advent of any one of these exotic free energy technologies (and there are several modalities emerging, each with multiple players like I just described for LENR), not only do we have the tangible mechanism for recovering from our global economic downturn, but we can finally manifest the world of the Jetsons.

...and you can forget about those possum recipes. Yuk!