LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Schadenfreude]

Defkalion claims to have their own proprietary reactor core.

[Captain Thunderbolt]

"He comes across as an entrepreneur and business man. His degrees seem to be in Philosophy, hardly nuclear engineering. Judging by various comments he has made, he exhibits all the necessary personal qualities required to be an independent developer – extreme self assurance (arrogance?), access to influential people and organizations, chutzpah, paranoia about protection of his product."

Why oh why do you want to give such a person the benefit of the doubt?
http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_ ... D=903&PN=1

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I have not been in the door, but have seen sun cubes on the roof[apparently not working] and units in the show room


Hi Gordon,

The 10 SunCubes on our roof are currently being upgraded with the latest Emcore receiver modules and should be back operational in the next few days.

As for business activities GGE has 6 current SCIG licenses who are at various stages of building their SunCube manufacturing facilities.

As you may know the SunCube uses a CPV receiver module from Emcore. Emcore have had problems getting their CPV receiver module manufacturing line operational due to the late arrival of some equipment. As of June 2008 the line went operational.

We finally qualified their production CPV receiver module in July / August 2008 and are now in the process of releasing the SunCube engineering data set to our SCIG licenses so they can get their manufacturing operations moving.

It has taken us, Emcore + GGE + SCIG licenses longer than we expected to get here but we finally made it and the Mark 9 SunCube will be in the market very soon.

We recently did a demo and engaged in a open discussion of the Mark 7.5 SunCube to both the SA and NSW branches of the Australian and New Zealand Solar Energy Society. Our home page

http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

has a photo of the NSW presentation and the Power Point presentation I gave.

Why not stop in for a coffee? I can show you a Mark 7.5 SunCube but not yet the latest Mark 9 as it is going through the patenting process where we expect to get in excess of 20 patents.
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Greg Watson, CEO


Why do I keep banging on about the SunCube?
Because it is just the same kind of scam as the Ecat.
Inventor has a shady past.
Invention defies the laws of physics.
No independent testing results.
No product for sale, only licenses to manufacture.
(Pay up, sign here, shut up)

Never mind "innocent until proven guilty"
I say "SCAM until proven otherwise

[Captain Thunderbolt]

From the Whirlpool forum http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... 82041&p=24

Once again Rossi has been caught out telling lies....

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/ ... reactions/

"Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the Energy Catalyzer, told an inspector from the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control that he has no factory in the United States and that no nuclear reactions occur in his devices.

Rossi’s statements contradict nearly everything he has said in the last year about his claims of a factory and his development of a low-energy nuclear reaction device."

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no nuclear reactions occur in his devices.

And yet the "inspector" is happy about the statement that there are only "low-energy photons in the range 50-100keV". I am sure that anything in Australia generating 100keV photons (typically X-rays but could arise from nuclear reaction) would be subject to some department or other for radiation protection. I am surprised the inspector did not think to ask him where these photons came from.
Edit: The Florida Bureau are also responsible for X-ray generators, so I suspect the report is fake.

Of course, since the factory does not exist then it is all OK. Nothing about this exists, except perhaps Rossi himself.

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Yes the ground is shifting again.

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"Jim Stokes, an inspector with the bureau, interviewed Rossi in Rossi’s Miami apartment on Feb. 29, 2012. Here is the concluding text from his report:

“I spoke with [Mr.] Rossi concerning the construction and operation of his E-Cat device. He stated the active ingredients are powdered nickel and a tablet containing a compound which releases hydrogen gas during the process. [Rossi states that] the output thermal energy is six times the electrical energy input. He acknowledged that no nuclear reactions occur during the process and that only low-energy photons in the energy range of 50 to 100 KeV occur within the device. There are no radiation readings above background when the device is in operation. Since the device is not a reactor, the [Nuclear Regulatory Commission] does not have jurisdiction."

Hmmm! so where does cold fusion sit? . .... no Nuclear reaction! So it must be chemical then it's just a glorified fuel cell! Less than 3 weeks to the end of the first Qtr Rossi promised to come up with the goods. It is starting to look like an elaborate ponzi scheme


Golly where is Aussie Guy when you need him?
He has the inside knowledge.

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What Rossi has demonstrated is not new, Ni-H LENR reactions have been known about since the early 90's.

Cold Fusion – The history of research in Italy:
http://www.sede.enea.it/com/ingl/New_in ... _Italy.pdf

1994 peer reviewed Ni-H paper showing the reaction produced 3 times more energy than could be explained by a chemical reaction:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/19 ... imento.pdf

1998 paper which also showed Ni-H LENR heat generation for 289 days:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

In Cold fusion – The history of research in Italy, the researchers add that they observed events of nuclear origins:

During the experiments, which altogether lasted for about 15 years, many phenomena witnessing nuclear reactions inside Ni samples in H atmosphere were observed. While it was producing energy, the cell which produced 900 MJ emitted neutrons for some days ... equal to 1000 times the neutron flux due to cosmic radiation. ... Other events, whose existence can only be due to nuclear reactions, were observed at the end of the experiments ... We observed in remarkable quantity Cu and Zn (with atomic number greater than Ni), F, Na, Mg, Al, Si, P, S, Cl, K, Ca, Mn, Cr, Fe (Fig. 3).

All that Rossi has done is to raise the public visibility of the already known Ni-H LENR reaction and to make a commercial device that produces enough heat energy to be very useful.

There is however a fraud and / or scam going on here here, that has and is being created by those who attempt to discredit Rossi for their own reasons but in trying to do so they also need to discredit all the other Ni-H researchers and their published results.

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[Schadenfreude]

[quote="kublikhan"And If you believe Defkalion, they claim to have Rossi's technology and are using it to make their own product. The exact sort of thing a patent would prevent. But Rossi did not patent his secret process, so he is out of luck.[/quote]

Defkalion claims to know what sort of technology Rossi uses but they do not use it themselves. They have developed their own proprietary reactor they claim.

[Captain Thunderbolt]

Andrea Rossi
March 9th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Dear Matthew:
Patents pending are like divisions of an army in movement: the less the enemy knows of them, the better.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
........................................................................................
OMG!!!!!
Not deja vu AGAIN!
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Hi Gordon,

We were in a meeting with Tom Kenyon, an SA MP. Had you rang up before, I would have arranged a time with was good for both of us. My mobile is 0408 843 089. We are very busy Gordon as we are involved in an extensive patenting process, which when finished will see the SunCube engineering data set released to our worldwide licenses.
The SunCube enclosure is sealed against rain, dust, pollen, etc and is vented against pressure changes.
The Emcore CPV receiver module we have designed in, is totally conformal coated. It will actually operate under water.
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greengoldenergy wrote:we are involved in an extensive patenting process, which when finished will see the SunCube engineering data set released to our worldwide licenses.

Patents require full disclosure of all relevant information; all that information is then made publicly available to everyone, not just your 'licensees'.

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Hi Dinges,
Do you understand what a provisional patent is? It gives you a worldwide priority date, securing your IP, while not requiring you to publicly disclose the details of the IP for 12 months. Then issuing the full patents takes another 6 months. This way any company can get worldwide priority, IP protection and not need to publicly disclose their IP for 18 months. Patents are good, but the early public IP disclosure is not.
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Do you understand what a provisional patent is?

My apologies, I'm not very smart and know only very little of business economics, mechanical engineering and patents. But I don't recall you mentioning a 'provisional patent' in your previous reply. A provisional patent is a far cry from a patent.

The little I know of it says that applying for a provisional patent gives you the right to legally claim 'patent pending'. No more, no less, until you've filed for and attained a full (non-provisional) patent. But, I'm no patent attorney. And not even very bright either.

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while not requiring you to publicly disclose the details of the IP for 12 months.

Interesting statement you made there.

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Then issuing the full patents takes another 6 months. This way any company can get worldwide priority, IP protection and not need to publicly disclose their IP for 18 months.

I'm a bit shocked/surprized that you're not convinced enough of the invention to start applying for a non-provisional patent. If it were my invention I don't think I'd want to waste any precious time.

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Patents are good, but the early public IP disclosure is not.

I state again, in case you misunderstood: you want a patent, you provide full disclosure. Not to your licensees but to the public at large. You can try to postpone public disclosure - but you cannot circumvent it, not if you want that (non-provisional) patent.

[Laromi]

It was the American patent office that scuttled his [Rossi's] world patent rights [haven't reference at hand but should be general knowledge on forum] as far as I know however, he holds some domestic European [Greek] patents. That, I believe is part of his dilemma and probably Defkalion's as well therefore, it was not a case of, "But Rossi did not patent his secret process, so he is out of luck".

However, and I say it again, this to-ing an fro-ing over Rossi's past is more likely designed to cast a cloud of suspicion over the potential of a PROVEN, and acknowledged replicable science phenomenon albeit, once hit before by aggressive and distractive argument [Pons-Flieshman et.al.].

It makes more sense to me to argue against the science than the personality. Prove the science is incontrovertibly wrong rather than filibustering Rossi/Defkalion et.al. for developing or attempting to develop a technology which makes LENR Cold Fusion or whatever reactions [chemical or otherwise] totally useful for us blue planet dwellers.

Just think of the LENR/Cold Fusion [or whatever elephant] potential for totally portable cracking stills in the petroleum industry for instance once, and or if, the technology can advance that far. I bet some of you blokes would have given Newton, da Vinci, Flemming, [just to name a few] and other folk with a bit of foresight heaps. But hey, who have their names still at the forefront of history? Certainly not Shills

Concept and Production are not good friends, generally they stay well apart from each other.

[Schadenfreude]

It makes more sense to me to argue against the science than the personality. Prove the science is incontrovertibly wrong rather than filibustering Rossi/Defkalion et.al. for developing or attempting to develop a technology which makes LENR Cold Fusion or whatever reactions [chemical or otherwise] totally useful for us blue planet dwellers.

It seems obvious to me that there is extremely interesting LENR research taking place all over the world. Krivit, I think, has reported that the Chinese have a secretive, well-funded program of their own. the Russians have theirs, Japan, Italy, the US... LENR has come in from the cold and is heating up. We've see the NASA slides from 4 different NASA scientists on the subject and now CERN is hosting a presentation on LENR on March 22 by Celani, another high-caliber nuclear scientist of good pedigree.

Within this burgeoning worldwide research, we have the Rossi/Defkalion dramas unfolding and we have a handful of other LENR research groups who are getting ready to commercialize - Lattice Energy, Piantelli's group, Brillioun Energy, George Miley, etc.

Curiously, it has been the Rossi and Defkalion claims that a lot of people have woken up to the greater LENR picture. So even if it turned out that Rossi and Defkalion were BOTH competing scams , they still would have had the effect of channeling interest in this other research stuff going on all over the world.

It still doesn't make sense to me that they are both scams, however, because I still can't see a motive, no fraudulent activity has been seen. There's too much attention on Rossi and Defkalion both now for anyone to be defrauded. Yet the technology claims too are wild. If they truly are both scams, I'd surely like to see how it all plays out, what the motives were, what were the possible rewards...

It seems to me just as likely that there truly is something of a first-to market race being run though.

And I think it has already been adequately proven that a LENR effect of some kind is real. Other researchers besides Rossi and Defkalion are claiming a COP of 3. Piantelli has said that a very large COPs are possible and on the brink of production. An MIT Short Course on cold fusion demonstrated a table-top device making 10+ times...

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone interested in energy would not want to follow what's happening in LENR land. That's all this thread is supposed to be about.

And for Christ sake, everyone has known about Rossi's troubled past from the very get-go. Go back and look at my first post on the damn subject. It was The Magic of Mr. Rossi - ECAT Cold Fusion Generator 2011. It goes into the whole Petroldragon thing. I posted that in May of last year. And its been re-hashed ever since. This is NOT new information. Nevertheless, Rossi is just one player in a global arena which has dozens of research groups.

[Captain Thunderbolt]

Curiously, it has been the Rossi and Defkalion claims that a lot of people have woken up to the greater LENR picture. So even if it turned out that Rossi and Defkalion were BOTH competing scams , they still would have had the effect of channeling interest in this other research stuff going on all over the world.

NO!
Channelling interest into the global MLM PYRAMID SELLING LENR SCAMS opportunities.
Get in quick....bubble set to burst very soon.
All it takes is a little prick!

Good Morning
Good Morning
Coo Koo Catchew

I am the walrus!

[Schadenfreude]

[Liar Rossi Tells Florida Bureau He Has No U.S. Factory, No Nuclear Reactions

By Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News

Rossi has been caught in some whopper lies.

Yesterday, the New Energy Times published an extremely damning report regarding Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat:

Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the Energy Catalyzer, told an inspector from the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control that he has no factory in the United States and that no nuclear reactions occur in his devices.

Rossi's statements contradict nearly everything he has said in the last year about his claims of a factory and his development of a low-energy nuclear reaction device.

Rossi told the bureau that his device produces thermal energy of six times the electrical energy input. However, for the last several years, Rossi claimed nuclear reactions occur in his device.

The bureau responded to a citizen's complaint, made by Gary Wright of Las Vegas, in February. New Energy Times obtained the report from this blog. Wright was concerned that Rossi's device had failed proper nuclear certifications or, if not, that Rossi was committing fraud.

I looked through the very lengthy report surrounding that complaint and follow-up. It contains a detailed review of Andrea Rossi's claims and dealings with the E-Cat, as well as some of his previous work with biofuel and waste to energy. It documents extensively the fact that 1) Andrea Rossi has been claiming nuclear events in his E-Cat process, and 2) Andrea Rossi has been claiming the establishment of U.S. manufacturing.

Ok, let's see Rossi try to continue to pull off some sort of scam after this. But I bet his activities will continue, and will be reported on nevertheless. Meanwhile, we await news on defkalion's third-party testing.

[lper100km]

This seems like a recurring pattern. He got into real difficulties with the Italian regulators and he is seemingly doing it again with the USA. Typical entrepreneurial behaviour – he is right and everyone else is getting in the way.

[Quinny]

Lets see him trying to pull some kind of scam after this!
Got into real difficulties with regulators!

I've always been a tolerant parent/manager etc etc, but how much rope do you give this guy!!!

......sorry but LMFAO!

[kublikhan]

It was the American patent office that scuttled his [Rossi's] world patent rights [haven't reference at hand but should be general knowledge on forum] as far as I know however, he holds some domestic European [Greek] patents. That, I believe is part of his dilemma and probably Defkalion's as well therefore, it was not a case of, "But Rossi did not patent his secret process, so he is out of luck".

Yes I know what you are referring to. Rossi tried to get an international patent. However he refused to disclose how his device worked. He tried to keep a "secret catalyst" and block box area of the device he was patenting. That is not how patents work. This was not a case of "the American patent office scuttling Rossi's patent". This was a case of Rossi trying to patent a black box, expecting he did not have to play by the same rules as everyone else. It doesn't work like that.

However, and I say it again, this to-ing an fro-ing over Rossi's past is more likely designed to cast a cloud of suspicion over the potential of a PROVEN, and acknowledged replicable science phenomenon albeit, once hit before by aggressive and distractive argument [Pons-Flieshman et.al.].

Nope. Rossi did not submit the steps to replicate the phenomenon he described. Scientists could not replicate his work as a result.

Prove the science is incontrovertibly wrong rather than filibustering Rossi/Defkalion et.al. for developing or attempting to develop a technology which makes LENR Cold Fusion or whatever reactions [chemical or otherwise] totally useful for us blue planet dwellers.

This is a logical fallacy. You can't prove a negative. You are making an invisible pink unicorn argument here.

Today I will discuss the “invisible pink unicorn” analogy. Perhaps the best known example of this argument was put forward by Carl Sagan in A Demon Haunted World, who used the example of someone who claims to have a dragon in their garage but answers each challenge for evidence of the dragon with a special reason why such evidence will not be forthcoming. This illustrates two logical principles important to science and skepticism.

Falsifiability
Scientific hypotheses must be falsifiable. In other words, they must be formulated in such a way that they make predictions about nature – about what we will find when we look at some aspect of nature in particular or what the outcome will be of a specific experiment. If a hypothesis does not make such predictions, then there is no way to test it. Testing ideas is the cornerstone of scientific methodology. Without it you are just practicing philosophy, not science. Ideas that cannot be tested are not necessarily false, they are just “invisible” to science, and are therefore worthless as hypotheses.

The “invisible pink unicorn” or Sagan’s dragon are used as examples of unfalsifiable claims, to illustrate this point of logic. Science cannot prove that unfalsifiable claims are not true – by definition. But this is not a reason to believe in them, any more than it is a reason to believe in any of an infinite number of potential claims that cannot be falsified.

Special Pleading
Sagan also used his dragon analogy to illustrate the logical fallacy known as special pleading – inventing a unique and special reason to explain why each type of evidence that could potentially validate a claim is lacking. There is no reason to speculate ahead of time that the phenomenon in question should have such features, they are just invented ad hoc to explain away the lack of evidence. For example: question: “Can I see the dragon?” answer: “No, it’s invisible.” Question: “Can I feel it? Answer; “No, it is non-corporeal?” “Can I measure the heat of its fiery breath?” No, it breaths heatless fire.” Etc. Once you have used special pleading to render a claim unfalsifiable you have also catapulted it out of the arena of science.

In short, the invisible pink unicorn analogy is meant to keep paranormal proponents or other pseudoscientists from using special pleading to retreat from scientific scrutiny, often all the way to the ultimate hidey hole of unfalsifiability.

Invisible Pink Unicorns

If they truly are both scams, I'd surely like to see how it all plays out, what the motives were, what were the possible rewards...

Same here. I too would like to see how this all plays out. However if I were to guess, I would say we are less likely to see an ending like the self-charging DeLorean. I think we are more likely to see something like the suncube. Blinky would know better than I, but as far as I know Greg Watson never went to jail over his suncube nor repaid his investors. I am guessing the E-Cats release will be delayed, problems will crop up, but there will always be an excuse. Eventually it will just quietly fade away as vaporware, like the Phantom console or SunCube.

Nevertheless, Rossi is just one player in a global arena which has dozens of research groups

If you would like us to discuss more of the other LENR researchers in this thread, you should post more about them Carl. You are our most prolific LENR poster You have been spending most of your time covering Rossi and Defkalion though. So we have less info on the imminent release of devices from Lattice Energy, Piantelli's group, Brillioun Energy, George Miley, etc.

[SeaGypsy]

Watson has friends on high in Australia. There can be no other logical explanation why he hasn't been charged with fraud.

[Captain Thunderbolt]

http://www.dkasolarcentre.com.au/forum/ ... ?f=3&t=416

Re: SunCube test array for the DKA Solar Centre
by Keefwivanef » Mon 14 Mar, 2011 11:43 am

Hey Greggy.....what happened to the SA Government trial?
Green and Gold Energy receives a AU$450,000 order from the South Australia government
to supply, build, commission and operate 3 grid connected SunCube™ Energy Farms.

Reference # PIRSA865
Name of Public Authority Primary Industries and Resources SA
Title 100 Suncube Grid Trial
Good or Services Acquired Facilitation to SME to jointly trial concentrating photovoltaic technology on the electricity grid.
Procurement Process Waive of competitive process
Total inc GST $429,000
Execution Date 30 Aug, 2008
Starting Date 30 Aug, 2008
Completion Date 1 Jul, 2010

Hi C*P.

That trial is not public and I can't comment on it except to say the original sites soil was found to be contaminated and work could not proceed. We have found another site and work is moving forward.

As far as we are aware, the DKA Solar Centre's monitoring facilities and the ability to compare many systems against each other, historically and in real time, has no equal anywhere in the world. DKA Solar Centre staff have done a excellent job. We look forward to being able to show the world, in real time, what good Aussie solar technology can do.

Our pricing is now available on the GGE web site. As far as we know, this is the first time any CPV company has openly displayed CPV module pricing.

-----
Best regards,
Greg Watson, Mng Dir,
Green and Gold Energy Pty Ltd

by Rajawa » Thu 17 Mar, 2011 1:30 am

Support this 100%

It's one thing to design something; it's another to have to jump through all the hoops to get regulated for manufacturing/retail.

Inventors don't have it easy with all the policies and procedures. They almost need to be more Politian than Inventor.

Being more political might help combat obsessive, compulsive stalkers that seem to hound inventors these days. Every forum, everywhere Greg posts, Keef is not far behind. Keef, you’ve proven to everyone that follows the Suncube that you are nothing but a griefer, how about you find another hobby? Something a little more psychological sound?

Good luck with the Solar Centre, Greg and the Suncube Team!

Cheers,
Rajawa

SHUT UP KEEF
YOU ARE SPOILING THE INVENTION!

[Captain Thunderbolt]

Andrea Rossi
March 11th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Dear Reader:
There is another imbecile that has written in some blog that I sold in New Zealand a 1 MW plant and that it is not working well: well, it is not working at all, for the simple reason that I never sold, nor installed, nor put in operation any plant at all in New Zealand!!! This is another example of the maliciousness of the snakes, but also is the demonstration how afraid are their puppeteers of us: but do not worry, I never am impressed by paper tigers, and our production line for the E-Cats is growing up day by day: we will surely not be stopped by some puppet-lie.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
p.s. I love New Zealand, and I have been there as a tourist, a trip I will never forget. But I never worked there, so far.

Anyway, you can't prove nuffin so shut up!

[Captain Thunderbolt]

Andrea.....you are a VERY naughty man!

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiEC ... tory.shtml

Of the 105 articles listed below, we have made English translations of exceprts from three of them:
May 23, 1997: "Tax Evasion, Forged Invoices: Andrea Rossi Sentenced to 2 Years 8 Months."
March 28, 1996: "Sentence Doubled for Rossi - Omar Toxic Waste."
March 29, 1995: "Andrea Rossi Arrested in Monza: Tax Fraud and False Billing. Toxic Waste, Illegal Gold. Inventor of “Waste to Oil” Formula Jailed.” Recently Formed Trafficking Ring, A Successful Collaboration of International Accomplices.

Lacchiarella, 300 Companies Pay First Offer On 70 Billion Judgment
Petrol Dragon, Paying Customers
Producers of Toxic Waste Contribute Toward Recovery and Clean-Up Costs of Disposal of 60,000 Tons of Toxic Waste. Former Refinery Being Auctioned as Compensation Toward Expenses.

We Will Need Tens of Billions for Clean-Up: Say Local and Regional Government -Lacchiarella Plaintiffs
The “Oil Wizard” has Taken Flight
In Absentia Trial Held for Inventor of Petrol Waste Formula. Worldwide Wild Goose Chase for [Perpetrator] of Industrial Poisons.

and so on and so forth..

SPIN ON THAT DUDE!

[TheAntiDoomer]

how is blinky aka capt thunderbolt not banned yet for posting more nonsense and absolutely no news links?

[Captain Thunderbolt]

NO NEWS?

What.... the massive list of Rossi's criminal convictions is not news?
The news that he admits there is no nuclear reaction or "cold fusion" is not news?

Do you have any news to report?
Anyone got an Ecat yet?

[vision-master]

Cold Fusion Now shot a 30-minute video interview with Andrea Rossi Friday March 2, while chatting with the inventor in his Miami Beach, Florida office.

“The robotized line is already under construction. The factory will be in the United States of America, the E-Cat will be a Made In The USA product, both in the industrial and the domestic version.”

[vision-master]

how is blinky aka capt thunderbolt not banned yet for posting more nonsense and absolutely no news links?

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