LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[vision-master]

I said in a statement before that I was not going to say anymore but now I feel I must, in light of the facts that Defkalion has gone dark because they are overwhelmed with emails, and people are making outrageous statements that make no sense.

Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to make a statement. It is about time that the whole world understands how this simple technology works. The key to understanding this technology is terminal resistance and surface area. Once the material is fired by a pulse or repetitive pulses, almost like what you would have in a car’s distributor, the nickel and hydrogen in the reactor will now produce a simple burst of energy controlling the duty cycle and the Rep rate of the pulse. As a matter of fact, nickel is not the only material that can be used. There are 15 other elements in powder form that can be used and COP’s can be reached as high as 250 and greater. The momentary ignition that produces a tiny amount of radiation is due to the ignition of the hydrogen at plasma temperatures, because the material is acting like a resistor that is saturated with hydrogen. Once the material has ignition internally at a molecular level, then you get a tiny impulse of gamma radiation; but very very small and usually always just once, and that is until the material heats up again. Once this takes place there is no need to worry about any radiation. I now believe that it is possible to go beyond that I have learned and experimented, with plasma technology and pulse impulse systems that can drive nanomaterials to extreme temperatures and high outputs. Defkalion should be reaching COP’s as high as 50 with a multi-chamber device as they described in their prints. With the research that they are doing now, they will find that a multi-stage firing system is one way to go about it, once they discover that the surface area and the terminal resistance is the key to understanding how this technology works.


My warmest regards to all,
Dave Farnsworth
Global Energy Systems

[vision-master]

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http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/3 ... &mobile=nc

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Cold Fusion: A Cure For High Gas Prices

...The two units closest to coming to market, Hyperion by Defkalion and E-CAT by the Leonardo Corporation are capable of producing between 1 and 10 kilowatts of energy continuously for six months on a single charge. Most homes in the US are utilizing 50 Kilowatt-hours a day in energy use. You can calculate your own energy usage at the following site: Energy Usage Calculator. The point is these machines will soon be able to easily power all of your home's energy use. Use as much power as you want for as long as you want, all without significant financial cost or any environmental guilt. No guilt because there is no carbon dioxide (CO2) or any other kind of environmentally unfriendly emissions.

None of these small hi-technology startups are publicly traded, but the dramatic nature of the process powering these small yet powerful devices underscores their potential for becoming a disruptive, paradigm changing force in every market imaginable. Andrea Rossi's E-CAT has recently reported here that it has discontinued the relationship with National Instruments (NATI) and initiated one with Siemens AG (SI) to develop controllers for these units. Siemens also has a line of small steam powered electrical generators that may be modified to work with these units. Before you go to your broker and short oil, keep in mind it will probably be a year before you can purchase any type of device generating energy utilizing Cold Fusion. A year after that you may have access to something directly generating electricity that would be capable of powering a home including your electric car. Total monthly cost still $1.66.

One of the more informed articles I've read.

[kublikhan]

One of the more informed articles I've read(see link below for full text):

Many people who have followed the story of Andrea Rossi and his Energy Catalyzer are aware that Rossi’s claims are poorly supported by scientific facts, yet these people can’t imagine how Rossi intends to profit from this deception. Followers of the Rossi story ask, “What is Rossi’s endgame? If the Energy Catalyzer doesn’t work, how could he stand to profit?” This analysis will answer these questions. This analysis will also explain the real motive for Rossi’s 13 public demonstrations of the E-Cat.

Energy Catalyzer Short-Term Cash Strategy
Rossi had at least two profit strategies: one was short-term, the other long-term. For the long-term strategy, Rossi has known for many years that issued patents, and even pending patents, given the right development, or simply promotion, are money in the bank. Rossi also knows, through his own experience, that even devices that don't work can, at least in the short term, lead to cash.

In the early news stories, Rossi went to great lengths to impress on his fans that he was not asking for money.
Feb. 7, 2011: "We are fully funded by our customers."
March 10, 2011: “I am assuming all the risks. No one is risking any money except me. ... The €500,000 I am paying to the University of Bologna is my last money, but when I deliver the one-megawatt plant to Defkalion, I get cash back. From then on, 50% will be used for expansion and 50% to treat children with cancer. I will personally look for the children whose families cannot afford their care."
March 11, 2011: "All the money spent up to now has been my money. Furthermore: we are not searching [for] venture capital, we want to sell our energy, taking upon us all the risks, we are paying for all the research and development activity, we are not asking money from anyone. Our customers pay money only after successful testing of our E-Cats."

How could Rossi be fully funded by his customers in February, yet have received no money from customers in March? This is one of dozens of apparent Rossi lies.

Rossi also used the terms "customers" and "investors" in confusing and inconsistent ways. When it was beneficial for Rossi to appeal to the public that he was paying for his "research" out of his own pocket, he did so. This worked to gain appreciation from his many worldwide fans. When it was beneficial for Rossi to give the appearance that he had important companies making significant investments in his work, he did so. Not many of his fans stopped to recognize the logical contradictions.

Rossi asked Michael Nelson of NASA for $15 million and investor John Preston of Quantum Energy Technologies for at least that much to "test" his device. By February 2012, New Energy Times obtained hard evidence, an invoice from Rossi to a potential investor in Australia for $131,000, that Rossi was asking for money for something he could not deliver.

How did highly educated professionals in the scientific community not recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story? How did they not see the scientific failure of Rossi's claim? Most of them were easily distracted by their hope that Rossi's claim was true. Most of the scientists who lent their reputation and credibility to Rossi were believers in “cold fusion,” one or two were advocates of hot fusion, and one was a Nobel Prize winner who was fond of the paranormal. Most of them had fought the war for “cold fusion” for two decades, and they were eager for vindication.

One newer LENR researcher, Brian Ahern, who did not have a dog in the 23-year cold fusion fight was disappointed in the behavior of some of his peers, as he wrote in an Oct. 9, 2011, e-mail to the Condensed Matter Nuclear Science e-mail list. "There is a psychological torment associated with Rossi within CMNS," Ahern wrote. "I think I am witnessing the behavior of 7-year-old children who cannot bring themselves to give up on Santa Claus. "Rossi is not Santa Claus. He has been tried, convicted and sentenced in Italy multiple times." [See full article for detailed listing of Rossi convictions]

We now arrive at the Oct. 28, 2011, demonstration, performed, according to Rossi, to allow an unidentified customer to verify that the 1 MW device worked as claimed. A man identified by Rossi as the customer's representative, Domenico Fioravanti, signed off on the pre-printed form below the line that stated "The results of the test are satisfactory to accept the delivery."

The next day, on his blog, Rossi told his fans that the 1 MW Energy Catalyzer was gone, delivered to the customer. As readers who have followed this saga know, that was a lie. But that did not become public knowledge until two months later, on Jan. 12, 2012, when Rossi revealed in his own promotional video that the big blue box hadn't moved.

Report #5: Rossi’s Profitable Career in Science

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One of the more informed articles I've read(see link below for full text):

Many people who have followed the story of Andrea Rossi and his Energy Catalyzer are aware that Rossi’s claims are poorly supported by scientific facts, yet these people can’t imagine how Rossi intends to profit from this deception. Followers of the Rossi story ask, “What is Rossi’s endgame? If the Energy Catalyzer doesn’t work, how could he stand to profit?” This analysis will answer these questions. This analysis will also explain the real motive for Rossi’s 13 public demonstrations of the E-Cat.

Steven B Krivit is a staunch believer in LENR's capbility to revolutionize, democratize, energy production.

He thinks Rossi is pulling some kind of scam but he has not trashed Defkalion or other prominent LENR researchers the same way.

I love it when you quote LENR believers in your arguments.

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Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim

Jed Rothwell
Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:38:47 -0800

Jeff Driscoll <hcarb...@gmail.com> wrote:

he needs a gullible investor, or a fraudulent investor wanting to find a
bigger gullible investor, he's probably learned the game with his previous
fraudulent work

He has not learned it very well, has he? If he is a con-man, he is the most
inept con-man in Italy and Florida, which is saying a lot. Consider one
thing that Krivit wrote:

These people have also been impressed with the fact that Rossi has entered
into discussions with prestigious companies such as National Instruments
and institutions such as NASA. Although Rossi has managed to get his foot
in the door, none of those discussions has led to research agreements.
Rossi has, however, used those discussions to boost his credibility.

Krivit described the NASA visit in some of his earlier columns. I have
discussed the visit with several other people, and I confirm many aspects
of Krivit's description. This visit was a flaming fiasco. If this is how
Rossi "boosts his credibility" how could he diminish his credibility?
Perhaps by meeting the NASA people at the door naked, with a shotgun?

As far as I know Rossi has done absolutely nothing to boost his
credibility. On the contrary, everything he has done has blasted his
credibility to ribbons. I get the impression he does NOT care about
credibility, or about what other people think. No con-man can survive with
this attitude.

Regarding the NASA visit, the one aspect of it that I think Krivit reported
incorrect is the impression of the NASA people have of Rossi. They did not
leave the place thinking Rossi is a fake or that the steam from his device
is insufficient. They left thinking that Rossi is a strange person who did
not show them what he said he would. They cannot judge his claims.
Naturally, they were upset, but they were not convinced he is a fraud.

I do not think there is any evidence he is a fraud. There are appearances
or an impression he makes, but that is not evidence. Like Jones Beene, I
cannot imagine any method by which he could defraud people with this, and I
have not heard that anyone has been defrauded. As far as I know, no one has
even paid for a machine, but I could be wrong about that.

- Jed

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Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim

Jed Rothwell
Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:00:50 -0800

I meant to say Rossi DOES NOT care about credibility.

Here is an astounding statement from Krivit:

How did highly educated professionals in the scientific community not
recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story? How did they not
see the scientific failure of Rossi's claim?

Is there any person familiar with Rossi who does not recognize "the
multiple contradictions in the Rossi story"?!? Who the hell is Kivit
talking about? I and other have compiled lists of contradictory technical
statements made by Rossi. There is such a flood of these, I can't keep up
with them. I would not try to keep up with his contradictory assertions
about his personal business. Krivit seems to think that he alone sees this,
and the rest of us are blind to it. This is like looking at Niagara falls
and thinking you are the only person who notices all that water and
everyone else is oblivious to it.

Fortunately, these "multiple contradictions" have no bearing on the
scientific success or failure of the claim. That can only be established
with reference to instrument readings, palpable heat, physical laws and
other objective evidence. Despite the poor quality of Rossi's tests, they
have proved beyond doubt that the claims are true. Rossi's personality and
his contradictory claims about his business cannot affect this conclusion.

- Jed

[kublikhan]

Steven B Krivit is a staunch believer in LENR's capbilities to revolutionize, democratize, energy production.

He thinks Rossi is pulling some kind of scam but he has not trashed Defkalion or other prominent LENR researchers the same way.

I love it when you quote LENR believers in your arguments.

That's good because maybe you'll actually give what I posted some thought. Like the fact that Rossi is a convicted felon, lies frequently, pays journalists to say nice things about the ecat, and has run scams like this in the past.

If the cold fusion guys(or LENR, LANR, or whatever they are calling themselves nowadays) want to play around with pseudoscience for 23 years, I say: GO FOR IT! No skin off my nose. But if Rossi and Defkalion want to push a free energy scam and defraud people of money, that is not cool at all.

And BTW, Krivit thinks Defkalion is a scam too.

Steven B. Krivit says:
As to the observation in your last paragraph, “what Rossi as alerted me to is that they Defkalion) stole his scam.!!” – that is exactly what it looks like to me
...

Low-energy nuclear reactions are certainly real, I have investigated and written about this research for the last twelve years. The Rossi and Defkalion claims, however, are dubious.

Rossi E-Cat Never Delivered To Customer
LENR Real; Rossi and Defkalion Dubious

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Steven B Krivit is a staunch believer in LENR's capbilities to revolutionize, democratize, energy production.

If rossi and defkalion are dubious to krivit, then he MUST have other, better reasons to loudly support cold fusion research. Which he does.

Krivit is a big supporter of the Widom-Larsen Theory.
Lattice Energy, Larsen's LENR company, is also making preparations for market.

LENR stuff is also attracting high-level academics who speak at prestigious conferences on the topic. It's of interest to a wide variety of people from garage tinkerers to university and industry types.

The Rossi and Defkalion drama is but a sub-set of the larger worldwide activity going on in this field. but we pay attention to these two companies because they have been making most of the news lately.

So the story goes on...

[Quinny]

We pay attention to these two companies because they are the two being promoted in this thread!!

[Captain Thunderbolt]

A SCAM?
Nah, couldn't possibly be a scam

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102146
Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 10:12 AM

So Keef you may still get your SunCubes despite the trashing job you have tried to do on me, GGE and the SunCube.

Why you didn't just give me a few months to get another distribution channel in place amazes me. You think GGE would really walk away from 3,500 registered expressions of interest? I never said that SunCubes would NOT be available to the general market, just that GGE would not be selling SunCubes to the general market. Understand?

As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker.

So chill out man, what you want will happen.

All the best,
Greg Watson, CEO
Green and Gold Energy
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
+61 8 8365 5252

Any SunCubes on the market?
Any Ecats on the market?

How long should I chill out for?

[Captain Thunderbolt]

"Dave Farnsworth
Global Energy Systems"


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Alain Sepeda
Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:56:50 -0800

I think that the total scam is not an option, however it is clear that
Rossi is overconfident, overanticipating.

It is possible and even probable that he lied more or less, even possible
he make fake demo jus to get time to
find the working recipe...

I'm afraid he is lying much, but just to get time to find what he expect to
be the easy to find result.

maybe I'm wrong, but both the total scam, or the working device des not
match the fact.
IMHO something have worked so well that convince him to bend the facts to
get time. How far bend ?

note that this behavior is typical of scientist when they have the usual
funding problem, and they are convinced
something huge is near their finger...

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim

Chemical Engineer
Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:32:25 -0800

I am kind of tired of hearing about Rossi. I would really like to hear
more about Defkalion. They waged a pretty good PR compaign with their
announcements and forum while it was operating. They published
professional looking specs. They showed some actual lab equipment and test
benches not just some carpenter tools like Rossi. To me they lend more
credibility to Rossi than Rossi does himself (ie. there must have been some
kW heat output albeit unstable from Rossi before the contract was
terminated) and they have advanced it. Krivit has been very quiet about
Defkalion.

Everyone else seems to only claim 10s to 100s of Watts of output vs 10s to
100s of kWatts out for Defkalion (and Rossi). DGT is my last best hope
that this thing(LENR) is almost ready for prime time...

[Laromi]

never give up hope. Here's something else to to challenge the skeptics "Kapanadze_free_energy_100_KWATT_TMZ_demo_Turkey_part3A.flv" courtesy of OverUnity.com. :0

[vision-master]

Kapanadze free energy 100 KWATT TMZ demo Turkey part3A.

Japanese?

[Captain Thunderbolt]

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NOT another GREEN WIDGET SCAM?????

What is it with you Nexus Magazine addicts?

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[vision-master]

You act like funny man, but the truth is you are a nefarious poster. Again, how many times have you been banned from this 4um?

[Captain Thunderbolt]

I cannot imagine why this forum would wish to ban anyone for speaking the incontestable truth.
Opinions are easily altered.
Facts remain unchanged.

[vision-master]

Yes, the fact is you have been banned before from here.

Why must you continue to derail this thread?

Tell us the facts Blinky....