LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Schadenfreude]

I must admit that I was a bit sceptical about LENR but I have just watched a video that explains the whole process very clearly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk

Old, boring and off-topic...again.

[Quinny]

I think Albert is shading it over blinky! Whatever happened to Bill though I for one miss his constructive criticism.

[Albert Ross]

Blinky's not here man!

[TheAntiDoomer]

LENR Resurrected by MIT – The Early Detractors

http://cleantechauthority.com/lenr-resu ... etractors/

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) looks to be one of the first academic institutions to validate the claims that cold fusion is real. Cold fusion is now more commonly called Low-Energy-Nuclear-Reactions (LENR), partly to avoid the stigma the term “cold fusion” evokes. And in a strange twist of fate, MIT – who was one of the most aggressive detractors of cold fusion in the 1990s – is now leading the charge in resurrecting the technologies it once vilified.

Dr. Swarts and Prof Hagelstein of MIT publicly demonstrated how a device can not only run itself indefinitely, but their experiment also produced ten times the energy output that was input. They ran the experiment for two days to demonstrate the effectiveness of the technology using a NANOR by Jet Energy. The device, as of this publishing, has been running for five days straigh

[Albert Ross]

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) looks to be one of the first academic institutions to validate the claims that cold fusion is real.

Did MIT validate the claims? ( I think not)

Or did these fruit loops http://cleantechauthority.com (sort of) validate it?

[Cog]

Dr. Swarts and Prof Hagelstein of MIT

Are not listed as professors in the Physics Department at MIT.

http://web.mit.edu/physics/people/faculty/index_ie.html

Perhaps there is another department where I should be searching?

[vision-master]

Peter L. Hagelstein is a principal investigator in the Research Laboratory of Electronics (RLE) and an Associate Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He received a bachelor of science and a master of science degree in 1976, then a Doctor of Philosophy degree in electrical engineering in 1981, from MIT. He was a staff member of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory from 1981 to 1985 before joining the MIT faculty in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1986.
Hagelstein's early work focused on extreme ultraviolet and soft X-ray lasers , relativistic atomic structure and electron collision physics, autoionization and dielectronic recombination processes, plasma population kinetics, radiation transport and large scale physics simulation. He received the Ernest Orlando Lawrence Award in 1984 for his innovation and creativity in X-ray laser physics. While working in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory he pioneered the work that later produced the first X-ray laser, which would later become important for the US Strategic Defense Initiative, popularly referred to as the "Star Wars" program.[1]

His recent efforts have included the invention of semiconductor technology that could allow efficient, affordable production of electricity from a variety of energy sources, as well as continuing investigations of low-energy nuclear reactions. Hagelstein is the co-author of a new textbook, Introductory Applied Quantum and Statistical Mechanics, and chaired the Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion in 2003.[

1986 - lol

[Schadenfreude]

ps: Let me know when I can buy one that produces power cheaper than what Entergy feeds it to me for.

Till then... I think 00 on the roulette wheel has a better chance at a return!

Nearly a 3% better return, actually. Of course, almost anything is better than, (let's be generous) a millionth of a percent liklihood.

Next thing you know, they'll be saying we are winning the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, and that government regulations (and those that oversee them) are all honest, credible, AND highly efficient!

yeah, like the whole shale deal - which i was a oh so wrong about. I wonder how I'll be be wrong THIS time"?

[Schadenfreude]

CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory

One of the most well-established nuclear physics institutions in the world, CERN, the European Centre for Nuclear Research, will host a colloquium on low-energy nuclear reaction research in March.

A general colloquium, “Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),” will take place at CERN on March 22, from 4:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the council chamber.

The colloquium will review recent gas-environment LENR experiments and the role of nanostructures in the basic studies. Francesco Celani, a physicist with the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics in Frascati, Italy, will present this work.

The colloquium will also review the potential of one theory, the Widom-Larsen model of LENRs, which is based on weak interactions and neutron-capture processes. A co-author of the theory, Yogendra Srivastava, a physicist with the University of Perugia, Italy, will present this talk.

“A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain several experimental anomalies in LENR,” the CERN announcement stated. “A brief description of a weak-interaction model shall be presented that claims to explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far.”

[Schadenfreude]

Hope from Athens found in Cold Fusion

On the heels of the riots and building burning, I landed in Athens to visit Defkalion and was able to see a demonstration of their test set-up for the upcoming seven testing groups. I was also impressed by the team working with the technology that could help bring remedy to Greece, Europe, and the world.

For a decade now, I have been searching the planet for exotic free energy technologies that can bring us clean, renewable, practical, dependable, and affordable energy in a distributed manner -- freeing us from our dependence on the grid and all the control and pollution that comes with it. I have been of the conviction that the emergence of such a technology could revolutionize the planet, empower individuals (literally and figuratively), boost the economy, and help facilitate the emergence of a more peaceful, responsible, freedom-based civilization.

Having now visited Defkalion not far from Athens, I'm pleased to report that I can say affirmatively that the Greek company, Defkalion, does indeed provide hope for not just Athens and not just Greece, and not just Europe, but for the world.

I'm going to be moving them up from position 5 to position 3 in our Top 5.

Defkalion's 5-45 kilowatt modular heater is not yet a product you can go out and purchase, but it is getting close to the market. It will provide competitively-priced heat energy, but with very low fuel costs for the nickel and hydrogen reaction chambers that will last for six months of continuous output.

In the coming few weeks, they will be having at least seven different groups come in to test their device, beginning with the Greek government next week. The results from each group will be published. Each group will have 48 hours to test the device and a control to which they can compare it.

I observed a great camaraderie among them. There are a lot of strong-willed people among them, but they are able to give each other respect so that no one's ego gets in the way. Several of them have been working together as friends and associates for many years in various capacities. "95% of our success is our team" they like to say.

In addition to the obvious tasks of manufacturing and distribution, a licensee will also do power surveys for potential customers to see what kind of a set-up they need. The Hyperion will be programmed accordingly, then installed by a trained technician. The reaction chambers will also need to be replaced by technicians.

Here are some miscellaneous other things I learned during my visit today:

• Defkalion has 27 people presently involved in their headquarters (where I visited) and their lab.
  
• Their lab is located elsewhere.
  
• Their primary product is "heat". Their business model is arranged around that. Others can figure out how to put that heat to good use.
  
• The reaction chambers are able to go as high as 900 degrees Celcius stably.
  
• The reaction begins at around 450 ºC.
  
• Nickel melts at 1453 ºC.
  
• They will use oil to transfer the heat from the reaction chamber to where it can be used.

[Cog]

For a decade now, I have been searching the planet for exotic free energy technologies that can bring us clean, renewable, practical, dependable, and affordable energy in a distributed manner -- freeing us from our dependence on the grid and all the control and pollution that comes with it.

Diogenes made a virtue of poverty. He begged for a living and slept in a tub in the marketplace. He became notorious for his philosophical stunts such as carrying a lamp in the daytime, claiming to be looking for an honest man.

Honesty and free energy will never be found together.

[Albert Ross]

"Having now visited Defkalion not far from Athens, I'm pleased to report that I can say affirmatively that the Greek company, Defkalion"

Sterling D. Allen......... Professional Peddler of Plop!


• Anti-Gravity
• Betavoltaic
• Body Electric
• Brown's Gas
• Cold Fusion
• Electromagnetic OU Yeah RIGHT
• Gravity Motors WHOO HOO!
• Joe Cells (Cosmic water)
• Magnet Motors (courtesy of Greg Watson)
• Nanotechnology
• Nuclear DIY
• Vortex
• Water - Water as Fuel - wet matches
• Wireless Electricity
• Zero Point Energy
• MORE . .

No thank you, I feel ill!

[Albert Ross]

SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR OFFER!

From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
*Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
*To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
*Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for
Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT

*To: Andrea Rossi**
From: Dick Smith*

Dear Mr Rossi

*Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration*

Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia.
Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia
- see *HERE* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29>.

Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy
Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin
communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how
it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said
that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an
agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention.

After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided
that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed.

There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin
claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence
that this is not the case.

At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue
me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my
AUD200,000.

As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have
determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like
to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011
demonstration.

One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be
held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the
unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My
satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then
some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate
change – will be solved.

I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many
millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any
immediate results. We have not complained about this.

My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the
March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear
reactions).

As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest
we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended
the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover
any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of
the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know,
there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also
the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the
steam.

I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether
the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable
Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is
successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am
happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to
attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an
agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be
necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist
with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no
doubts that the scientific community will accept the results.

I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of
more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten
times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the
demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at
least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify
for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the
future.

Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my offer is that you can show the
sceptics (I am presently one of them) that the unit actually works as you
have claimed. I notice that you have had other investors offering very
large amounts of money, and I can understand your concern in relation to
this. My offer is USD1,000,000 without any conditions attached at all in
relation to where you will spend the money. You can use it for further
research - perhaps to re-purchase your house or even donate some of the
money to charity.

Well, there it is. It’s quite simple. Successfully replicate the
demonstration showing the power gain from LENRs of March 29, 2011 with the
two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen (or two other individuals we
agree on), and USD1,000,000 will be yours.

Also, of course, you will receive attention from around the world and a
well-deserved Nobel Laureate. I will consider I have had value for my
money as the person who actually proves that your unit works (or doesn’t) –
an issue which will be resolved for all time.

My offer is open for you to accept until *close of business Monday 20
February 2012*.
I look forward to your reply.

Yours faithfully
Dick Smith

COME ON ROSSI......STEP UP TO THE CHALLENGE

[Albert Ross]

Rossi does not want a bit of Dick!

February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Dick Smith Offer
Dear Andrea,
Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer?
Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields

Andrea Rossi

February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

GOLLY!

I mean Rossi does not need the money....he has already collected plenty... http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiEC ... Redact.pdf

WHOOOO HOOOO!
What a nice little earner.

Didn't Mr Shady Fiend claim that Rossi was not accepting any money?

[Alcassin]

Challenge:
Million dollar for showing that the thing works.

Response:
Clownery!

[Albert Ross]

Rossi refuses big Dick offer!
Says he finds it hard to swallow and he just won't bend.


February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Dick Smith Offer
Dear Andrea,
Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer?
Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields

Andrea Rossi

February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

[Pops]

Just so the next version of "AlbertRoss" knows, you won't get in 19 posts next time.

[Laromi]

Not sure where the ( From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
*Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
*To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
*Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for
Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT

*To: Andrea Rossi**
From: Dick Smith*

Dear Mr Rossi

Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* ) e-mail was acquired from by Albert Ross, however if genuine, Andrea Rossi in his reply appears have challenged Tricky Dick to purchasing one of his 1MW units, well Dick, be big and purchase one of his confounded things to set the stage right,instead of big-noting. If your challenge to Rossi was successful by Rossi, you stood to loose USD$1M, purchasing a 1MW E-cat unit will either provide you a definite all up loss of USD$1M or a potential to make a few dollars over the next few years on the quantum of "free" energy provided through or by personal use of your own brand-spanking new E-cat. So what do you say Mr. Smith, gung ho I'll give it a go, or screw it, I'll be content big-noting?

[Quinny]

To Pops: I do not understand why Blinky or Albert have been banned. How have they broken COC.

To Laromi: I am more and more convinced that the whole Ecat thing is a scam. I cannot see why Rossi would refuse the 'challenge'.

[Cog]

The Blinky and Albert counter-point is not appreciated in some quarters. I find them extremely humorous although I doubt Carhole is laughing about it. The offer of Dick is pure internet comedy gold. A welcome relief from the blathering by the true believers on their multitude of free energy pump sites.