It's official: New monthly world crude oil production record

[seenmostofit]

With that, I have to conclude that you know very little about the current crisis or peak oil. In which case, consider this my last reply to you. Unless you stop trolling and start showing that you are knowledgeable about this topic, then I don't see why I should waste more time discussing this issue with you.

Why is disagreement on this forum so often treated with such hostility? That wasn't "trolling," that was a reasonable response.

I don't think it is specific to this forum. Many on-line forums seem to encourage disagreements (I am thinking about political ones here, not resource scarcity ones) but after ralfy went after the OP for just pointing out basic factual information related to production rates, it did seem to become more obvious what was going on.

[KingM]

With that, I have to conclude that you know very little about the current crisis or peak oil. In which case, consider this my last reply to you. Unless you stop trolling and start showing that you are knowledgeable about this topic, then I don't see why I should waste more time discussing this issue with you.

Why is disagreement on this forum so often treated with such hostility? That wasn't "trolling," that was a reasonable response.

I don't think it is specific to this forum. Many on-line forums seem to encourage disagreements (I am thinking about political ones here, not resource scarcity ones) but after ralfy went after the OP for just pointing out basic factual information related to production rates, it did seem to become more obvious what was going on.

Admittedly, the OP is a bit too "RAH-RAH! OIL!!!" for my taste, but it's equally clear that some posters feel the need to defend the official narrative of peak oil with a certain religious zeal.

[seenmostofit]

Admittedly, the OP is a bit too "RAH-RAH! OIL!!!" for my taste, but it's equally clear that some posters feel the need to defend the official narrative of peak oil with a certain religious zeal.

Perhaps, but noticing such things isn't usually considered polite. It is obvious from the OP that Oilfinder2 enjoys poking TPTB, but it does not appear to be taken in the same good humor as it was expressed.

[ralfy]

Why is disagreement on this forum so often treated with such hostility? That wasn't "trolling," that was a reasonable response.

I would understand it if disagreement were based on knowledge of basic points about this issue. But I find none whatsoever in this forum member's posts.

[seenmostofit]

Why is disagreement on this forum so often treated with such hostility? That wasn't "trolling," that was a reasonable response.

I would understand it if disagreement were based on knowledge of basic points about this issue. But I find none whatsoever in this forum member's posts.

Oilfinder2 appears to provide reliable and substantiated information on the issue at hand, and quite obviously knows more than most about the basic points on the issue. As King has noted, the vitriol aimed at anyone who does not toe the company line is is not appreciated. Such religious zeal belongs elsewhere and certainly should not be a part of an honest conversation on the topic at hand.

[pstarr]

With that, I have to conclude that you know very little about the current crisis or peak oil. In which case, consider this my last reply to you. Unless you stop trolling and start showing that you are knowledgeable about this topic, then I don't see why I should waste more time discussing this issue with you.

Why is disagreement on this forum so often treated with such hostility? That wasn't "trolling," that was a reasonable response.

Because seemstofit is a willful self-identified debunker, who brings nothing to debate other than a willful selfish ego and a lot of oft-rinsed and repetitious rhetoric. Little fact or historical perspective appears.

seemstofit has been repeatedly removed from this forum, each time returning a under new and stupid pseudonyms to play the same boring word games. He tires out the discussions, requires constant remedial effort. It is tiring and boring to deal with these planted agents/damaged souls.

[seenmostofit]

Because seemstofit is a willful self-identified debunker,

A lie. I have never said I have any interest whatsoever in debunking. To confuse asking questions and critical thought with manufactured claims of intent is similar to what Ralfy was doing and is no more helpful. Neither has a place in an honest conversation on the topic at hand.

Do you disagree that world oil production has posted a new record? Feel free to post the reference showing how crude oil production is crashing terribly quickly, with your favorite TEOTWAWKI comment. Can't refute the information provided? Refrain yourself from changing the conversation to something unrelated, resist the urge to accuse everyone of being some forum boogeyman, and wait for production to decline, at which point some gloating would probably be appropriate. Until then, take a chill pill, and enjoy the growing world oil production like us commoners.

[pstarr]

I cite one example and then I will leave you to your personal hankerchief and pleasure.

Whether demand is met by conventional sources, or by peanut butter, the only difference is probably the effort required, and therefore the price. Certainly the consumer does care in the least, as long as they can pump it into their tank and drive their car on it.

It appears that you would confuse conventional light sweet petroleum with a nut butter. In this regard you are either an idiot, certifiably insane, or simply playing word games to insult, denigrate Ralfy specifically and this web forum in general. I have to go with the former explanation (idiot). Your contention the consumer would not care re the sticky gummy fuel tank (much less the exorbitant cost of thermodepolymerizing an amino acid/lipid stew into fuel) pretty much nails the argument.

[seenmostofit]

So you have no information to refute the premise of highest crude production ever, and want to simply wish away the facts involved. It is a free country, you are perfectly free to invent your own reality, gods, laws of the universe and whatever else you wish. In the meantime, most will choose to live in the reality presented, rather than the one you invent.

[pstarr]

most will choose to live in the reality presented

Most? You? Us tend to live in a what world? Who? Your alter-egos? How many of "You" are here today? I don't see Shorty. Other than Oillooser you are one in a very select group of cornucopian deniers lurking on this site. What period day/month/year/decade constitutes your new peak? And at what geologic boundary?

I see a geologic plateau in the face of record petroleum prices, frantic drilling, unsupportable industry debt, declining exports, depleted reserves, failed cornucopian projections, exponential production declines, insubstantial (sub-replacement) discoveries, constant liquids re-definitions, and financial pertubations.

you have to be kidding me? right?

[seenmostofit]

most will choose to live in the reality presented

Most?

Sure. Most. Those with dissociative disorders are not a majority of the population, therefore those who live reality as it is, are.

Do you have an estimate of how many posts you will make avoiding the topic at hand, and are unable to refute the information provided? If so, let us know, I will wait until you are done, and we can return to the topic after you are finished.

[pstarr]

most will choose to live in the reality presented

Most?

Sure. Most. Those with dissociative disorders are not a majority of the population, therefore those who live reality as it is, are.

Do you have an estimate of how many posts you will make avoiding the topic at hand, and are unable to refute the information provided? If so, let us know, I will wait until you are done, and we can return to the topic after you are finished.

Peanut butter? That is what you said (and I paraphrase) "Most people wouldn't care if they were forced to pump peanut butter into their gas tanks."

And you speak of dissociative states? Get lost, creep. == (the door)

[dorlomin]

As King has noted, the vitriol aimed at anyone who does not toe the company line is is not appreciated. Such religious zeal belongs

Interesting attempt at the passive aggressive "victim" angle.

Ignoring the gratuitous strawmen, the mocking tone and the selection of only a the more extreme views of those who say that oil is at or near the peak and attacking all with the conclusions of the few. Then to claim that anyone who finds such tactics to be little more than trolling as 'religious zealots' because there is one fact that you can point to that, this justconfirms that you are in fact just trolling.


Let us look here.

Your information must be faulty. The EIA must be just clueless. Hasn't anyone told them that increasing oil production is no longer possible? Is there a website we can go to which will give us the answers we want, rather than forcing us into waiting for the next peak oil?

Taking the view of the extreme that peak oil is past and there is no chance of any rise in production, ignoring the more moderate view and then mocking the entire site.

But to call you on it and you play the goat, claiming anyone who calls you on your trolling is a religious zealot.

The persistent hyperbole, sense of unearned superiority, the clear fact you are not here to discuss or engage just make a nuisance of yourself for sport... and the and off course the faux outrage.

You come across as little more than a child scribbling away with crayons.

[seenmostofit]

But to call you on it and you play the goat, claiming anyone who calls you on your trolling is a religious zealot.

No, only one poster, who was demonstrating the trait. Are you suggesting it is a more common trait than has been demonstrated to date?

[dorlomin]

No, only one poster, who was demonstrating

You have me confused with someone who wants to play your little games my child.

You do not change no matter how many times you are banned and return.

[pstarr]

But to call you on it and you play the goat, claiming anyone who calls you on your trolling is a religious zealot.

No, only one poster, who was demonstrating the trait. Are you suggesting it is a more common trait than has been demonstrated to date?

Ralfy is not the only regular poster here at PO.com to demonstrate patience with lurkers and trolling debunkers. I consider myself quite adept (if I must say so myself.) So I guess you are wrong again. and again. and again.

[vision-master]

Shorty (seenmostofit) is now stirring things @ The Oil Age now..........

[ralfy]

Tried the same at Hubbert's Arms:

http://www.hubberts-arms.org/energy-new ... l-theory'/

[SeaGypsy]

Most of us have had our digital butts kicked around here at least once.

[meemoe_uk]

There's been a lot of hysterics and recitation of the PO myths recently on PO.com.
Just thought I'd update this thread as a reminder to all.

This is C&C, a standard that hasn't change since the 1970s. No new types of oil. It's the old conventional oil standard.

EIA : A new monthly world record was set in April 2012 of 75,992,795 Avergae bpd.
In a couple of months the EIA wil revise its data again to show that by the old 1970s standards, 2012 will set a new world yearly production record.