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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby americandream » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 04:49:58

davep wrote:
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Islam cannot win. It runs against the currents of history.


That just doesn't make sense.


Thats because you examine issues from a subjective position. The material functions in history dictate that each era in mans socio economic movement cannot be reversed. An era may contains the seeds of its predecessor, but it cannot be made to mirror its predecessor.

Islamists whilst seeking to reverse history are as much subjects of its forces as are the rest of us. Having said that, the fates of Islam and capitalism are issues of timing and do not suggest that capitalism spells the end of history.

Remove the labels and all humans are driven by these forces.
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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby Quinny » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 05:26:52

I understand what AD means, capitalism has been so powerful it sweeps other ideologies away. Until it doesn't!

I believe that PO is a game changer and with the destruction of growth will accelerate the crisis of capitalism. AD believes that Socialism is inevitably the next stage in human development. I believe and hope it should be, but fear a slide back into feudal/barbarism/religious mumbo jumbo.

Suppose that's why I'm campaigning rather than making money.
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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby davep » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 05:40:16

Capitalism is not in competition with Islam and the latter now has something like 1.7 billion adherents with some living in Capitalist/Sharia hybrid countries.

I tend towards the barbarism outcome, given the fact that the bigger the group of humans the lower the collective IQ. I don't know if Marx touched on that.
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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby Quinny » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 06:38:01

I might take issue with your first statement, pluralist states, but who rules?

I tend towards agreement - malheureusement!
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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby americandream » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 07:37:06

Quinny wrote:I understand what AD means, capitalism has been so powerful it sweeps other ideologies away. Until it doesn't!

I believe that PO is a game changer and with the destruction of growth will accelerate the crisis of capitalism. AD believes that Socialism is inevitably the next stage in human development. I believe and hope it should be, but fear a slide back into feudal/barbarism/religious mumbo jumbo.

Suppose that's why I'm campaigning rather than making money.


Objectively, communism is the next logical step. However, humankinds degree of objective sentience will determine that. The slide into unreason (consumerism, religion and of course an inability to break free of blood instincts despite our greater cognitive ability may put a halt to our evolutionary direction.)

Incidentally, I intend to use my prowess in the markets to fund a revival in objective social economic thought...my planned trip to Europe is a part of that object.
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Re: Islamic State opens EU front in France

Unread postby evilgenius » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:11:51

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Or, maybe, you just don't understand what the term "rate" means?


Of course, I do. In this case, in order to pay for interest earned from savings, money has to be lent. To pay for that interest plus earn, more goods and services have to be sold. That means more spending.


The reason I asked that is not to rank you, by the way. No, I asked it because you seem to conflate a lot of things that are only indirectly related to a particular action, in this case monetary policy and personal choice, together, as if they existed as a pair in a vacuum. They don't. A Central Bank may direct monetary policy toward an economy, and the elements within that economy may be affected by it, but they are not wholly, or solely. There may be a correlation between monetary policy and people's spending, both how much and where, but it is not tight enough to predicate how one ought to behave, not such that what I called true conservatism would derail an economy. That's actually why we have to have a term like 'economy' in the first place.

Again, this is also a place where, if envy reigns, there can be trouble. If we never look at ourselves as the source of our own problems it is possible to justify any action perpetrated against those we assume oppress us, from cartoonists to bankers. Likewise, if we only see ourselves as the source of our own problems, there are things within any system, such as the sociopolitical one we live in, that create injustice and will never be addressed. Some things, like campaign finance reform, do require that people understand life is not all micro-economic.
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