[AgentR11]

http://vimeo.com/36215023

Titled: "Introduction to Permaculture for Christians"
Lol. cute.. nutty girl, but cute. The kind you like to watch... as long as there's a good fence between you and her!

The presentation is an art-dance with the girl talking and wandering around, an hour+ mishmash of creation legend and unassociated mystic commentary; a bit of doom, and tagged with a few environmentalist sound bites.

If someone thought they were going to convince or educate any Christians with that presentation, about the merits of permaculture, omg.

You want to work over the Christian audience about permaculture... she even has the right line in there but doesn't know what to do with it.
"It is said, man does not live by bread alone." aye, and amen.
Man does not live at all without bread; have you tried making bread out of a tomato?
No? Didn't think so.
Lets talk real - deal here; calories. Calories out of the dirt; and by that, I mean grain.
Queue up: Fukuoka-sensei.
Queue up closing the circle.

[Pops]

Actually it looks like oil use flatlining is the anomaly.
We've been using more of all types of energy for decades.

[ian807]

Actually it looks like oil use flatlining is the anomaly.
We've been using more of all types of energy for decades.

There's a bright side to this. The slower our "energy" growth," the less oil we use, and the longer we have to transition to something more sustainable. For the same reason , an economic collapse (if not too severe) is a kind of blessing in disguise. We lengthen the "long tail" of cheap, energy-positive oil availability.

[Pops]

Not to argue just for the sake of argument - but - when growth and demand falls, oil prices come down and there goes your signal that its time to change horses... along with your ability to make the big investment require for the new "horse" even if you wanted to change.

[babystrangeloop]

The presentation is an art-dance with the girl talking and wandering around, an hour+ mishmash of creation legend and unassociated mystic commentary; a bit of doom, and tagged with a few environmentalist sound bites.

You missed the parts about communal living and sharing. Maybe I didn't miss them because I listen to Kathy when she talks about the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jkbyv15A8I

[AgentR11]

sharing, et al = environmentalist sound bites

[radon]

http://vimeo.com/36215023

The US cinematography is undoubtedly far ahead of the rest of the world, both mainstream and non-mainstream(this goes beyond the area of focus of the forum's respected porn-researchers ), and both in terms of quantity and quality. Most of the US film production revolves around a few archetypal themes – zombies, aliens, superman, warfare, safe houses, “guardians” (the hero policeman). Relation with the religion and afterlife, and specifically, in their mystical dimension is one of the most important of those themes. I used to think that the US is mostly detached from the religion and that this theme was exploited mostly for the entertainment purposes, but apparently this is not the case; that relation goes much deeper in the hearts and minds, and the popularity of the genre films confirms this. “Ghost”, “The Exorcist”, “Hereafter”, “Afterwards”, "Shelter"- just a few out of the top of my head – there is a whole torrent of movies along these lines (“Angels and Demons” is a notable exception).

That lady attempts to play an actress, probably trying to appeal to the same mystical religious attachment as the Hollywood movies do. This is probably something very US-specific. A Danish writer in the article at the front page of this website (couple days ago) commented that they are kind of pagan in Denmark. Here in Russia the relation with the church is also, and has been for centuries, more of pagan awe and fascination over the beauty of the churches and rituals rather than a feeling of the mystical attachment. When the churchmen go appealing for simplified life (which they do), they normally present moral arguments putting them in religious context rather than engage in mysticism. Mysticism will not take them much forward with the existing religious attitudes here.

[Keith_McClary]

US to be energy independent by 2030

known as "fracking" and it involves pumping sand, chemicals and gallons of water underground

They could just as well have said "teaspoons".

North American energy production revolution taking place could alter the marketplace forever

We're saved!

[Keith_McClary]

The crackpot threads have been suppressed by the evil PTB, so I have to post this here.

Calamities of Nature

[AgentR11]

There was once this poster, not nearly so bright as Einstein, but still not a complete idiot, who tried to measure his bicycle output relative to a single quantum worth of energy. The establishment does not want you to know about this, but the bicycle, as a device, gave efficiencies enormous enough to cause fear of a singularity in the bones of the most honorable Dr. Planck. This fear, caused in the remains of such a venerable physicist sent out special energy waves unbound by time and distance; which a passing Alien vessel mistook for signs of advanced intelligence. Upon arrival however, they were greatly disappointed in the bipedal critters present and wished them to forever remain isolated on their little planet, and so by special magnetic techniques induced visions of eternal prosperity through the burning of carbon in the minds of all present. This lead man to solve the ultimate riddle of theoretical physics, "how much oil is in the ground", by acclimation it was decided, "infinite, of course".


Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Pops]

The crackpot threads have been suppressed by the evil PTB, so I have to post this here.

100 points for you!

[Keith_McClary]

a passing Alien vessel mistook for signs of advanced intelligence. Upon arrival however, they were greatly disappointed in the bipedal critters present and wished them to forever remain isolated on their little planet, and so by special magnetic techniques induced visions of eternal prosperity through the burning of carbon in the minds of all present.

You mean this incident?

Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done. While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease” (Gen. 8:20-22).

[AgentR11]

I dunno, but my wrath can always be soothed by an awesome BBQ.

[PrestonSturges]

The Operative:
Do you know what your sin is Mal?

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:
Ah Hell... I'm a fan of all seven. But right now... I'm gonna have to go with wrath.

[AgentR11]

Best series ever.

[Keith_McClary]

Sara Robinson mentions this;

And the pain and fear caused when we're forced to face this fundamental fact explains quite a bit about why ideas like climate change and peak oil are so viscerally terrifying to so many Americans. (In many right-wing circles, denial about the American oil addiction is now a core piece of their political identity. It’s considered anti-American to even suggest that getting off oil is necessary or possible.) We are so deeply invested in oil, in so many ways, that it’s almost impossible for us to envision a world beyond it. We stand to lose so much that it’s hard to fathom it all.

Why Going Back To Normal Is No Longer An Option For The American Economy–And Where We’re Headed Now
peakoil.com (author not credited, as usual))

[babystrangeloop]

peakoil.com (author not credited, as usual))

Didn't you see the link to the source at the bottom of the post on peakoil.com?
Admittedly it just looks like:

AlterNet

[babystrangeloop]

Sara Robinson mentions this;

It’s considered anti-American to even suggest that getting off oil is necessary or possible.

Why Going Back To Normal Is No Longer An Option For The American Economy–And Where We’re Headed Now
peakoil.com (author not credited, as usual))

In a nutshell: Truth is Out of Style

[Keith_McClary]

Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It

The results are uniform across all the knowledge domains: People who actually did well on the test tend to feel more confident about their performance than people who didn't do well, but only slightly. Almost everyone thinks they did better than average. "For people at the bottom who are really doing badly — those in the bottom 10th or 15th percentile — they think their work falls in the 60th or 55th percentile, so, above average,"
...
Dunning believes people's inability to assess their own knowledge is the cause of many of society's ills, including climate change denialism. "Many people don't have training in science, and so they may very well misunderstand the science. But because they don't have the knowledge to evaluate it, they don't realize how off their evaluations might be," he said.

Moreover, even if a person has come to a very logical conclusion about whether climate change is real or not based on their evaluation of the science, "they're really not in a position to evaluate the science."

This would also apply to Cornucopianism.

[SeaGypsy]

That most ancient of chestnuts, only seeing or hearing what one wants to see or hear; extremely pervasive in the Google era.