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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 12:23:14

Another article on this, http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/un-cl ... -1.2821093
"We have the means to limit climate change," IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri said. "The solutions are many and allow for continued economic and human development. All we need is the will to change..."
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby GHung » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 12:45:29

"All we need is the will to change..."

Yeah, Juan, what 'we' would that be? These folks have a problem (as do 'we') in that we humans don't do 'we' very well, if at all.

"We" are going to get our asses kicked.
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 12:58:54

The IPCC called on governments around the world to move to cut fossil fuel use to zero by 2100.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Thats the last thing governments are going to do. Governments are going to do everything possible to keep BAU going. Look at the US---in president obama we've got a leader who gives speeches that make it sound like he "gets it" on climate change and the need to reduce fossil fuel use. But what has actually happened---over the last six years, far from shrinking our use of fossil fuels, the US has become the leading producer of fossil fuel energy in the world. Even the administration's push to reduce coal use in electrical power plants has has ZERO effect on coal use and global CO2 emissions because we just export the coal instead of burning it here. US coal EXPORTS have risen dramatically over the last five years.

Nope---its hopeless. Governments are not going to do diddly squat on fossil fuel use and CO2 emissions if it means hurting their economies.
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby BobInget » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 15:08:53

Plant, as usual, over reaches. Blaming President O for getting out of the way of oil technology is just as silly as giving him credit for the bounty.
Twelve of the first 14 years of this century we have been at war.. Over what? Religion and oil.
(Which one will still be around in 85 years?)
The fifteenth year promises to use more oil then in 2014, or 2013.
Few are predicting less consumption.
Who here thinks oil or gas will be at issue in the year 2099?

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2652 ... tric-tons/

That climate change bear is already stalking the poorest, most defenseless, around the globe.
Most of our efforts toward energy efficiency is directed to saving money, not delaying climate change.
If that's what it takes, it still makes sense.

I maintain we are in for 85 years of dealing with the effects of CC. It has become obvious to most observers. First, we need to blow through what fossil fuel remains before we get serious about
protecting coastline, preserving remaining farmland and irrigation distribution.
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 15:25:35

BobInget wrote:Plant, as usual, over reaches. Blaming President O for getting out of the way of oil technology is just as silly as giving him credit for the bounty.


Bobinget, as usual, doesn't understand what he is reading. I neither blamed O for getting out of the way of oil technology nor gave him credit for the bounty.

I simply pointed out that Obama, in spite of his many pledges to stop climate change, stop the seas from rising, get the US off fossil fuels, reduce our CO2 emissions, etc.---did none of it. In fact, these days O is more often heard boasting that the US now has a "100 year supply" of Natural Gas then talking about phasing out fossil fuels.

AND, just like O, other world leaders are also unlikely to heed the UN and the IPCC and move to "phase out" fossil fuels by 2100.


BobInget wrote:I maintain we are in for 85 years of dealing with the effects of CC.


Don't be silly. CO2 has a residence time of ca. 1000 years in the atmosphere. Thats why the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen from ca. 280 ppm before the industrial revolution to ca. 400 ppm now----a good percentage of all human produced CO2 is progressively ACCUMULATING in the atmosphere.

The effects of CO2 burned today aren't going to end in 85 years. The effects of CO2 burned today is going to be with us for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Get it now? :idea:
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Re: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Thread (

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 16:55:35

I see we have another thread on recent news from the IPCC. It's a bit misleading because in a nutshell what they said was that unrestricted use of FF must be phased out by 2100 and electricity must be produced from low-carbon sources by 2050. Rather than state that it is too late, there is still a lot we can do by 2050 to eliminate the worst effects on the environment and humanity as predicted by the IPCC.

Here are three news articles on their reports - the last one from RealClimate provides links to actual reports.

U.N. Panel Warns of Dire Effects From Lack of Action Over Global Warming

The gathering risks of climate change are so profound they could stall or even reverse generations of progress against poverty and hunger if greenhouse gas emissions continue at a runaway pace, according to a major new United Nations report.

Despite rising efforts in many countries to tackle the problem, the overall global situation is growing more acute as developing countries join the West in burning huge amounts of fossil fuels, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said here on Sunday.

Failure to reduce emissions, the group of scientists and other experts found, could threaten society with food shortages, refugee crises, the flooding of major cities and entire island nations, the mass extinction of plants and animals, and a climate so drastically altered it might become dangerous for people to work or play outside during the hottest times of the year.


Doing so would require finding a way to leave the vast majority of the world’s reserves of fossil fuels in the ground, or, alternatively, developing methods to capture and bury the emissions resulting from their use, the group said.


The new report comes just a month before international delegates convene in Lima, Peru, in an effort to devise a new global treaty or other agreement to limit emissions, and it makes clear the urgency of their task.


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World’s Scientists Warn: We Have ‘High Confidence’ In The ‘Irreversible Impacts’ Of Climate Inaction
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 17:55:30

Plant "I simply pointed out that Obama, in spite of his many pledges to stop climate change, stop the seas from rising, get the US off fossil fuels, reduce our CO2 emissions, etc.---did none of it."
Thanks for the laugh Plant. I burst out at "stop the seas from rising".
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby BobInget » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 18:11:02

Plant was not the first to 'blame' President O for climate change inaction. Climate change activists have been pounding that table for six years. In fairness, let it be said the US President not only admits there is such a thing as man caused global warming, he offers warning speeches on the topic. This is not the case in the other fossil fuel dependent, law making bodies. The only real 'action' this administration has taken
must be construed as inaction on Keystone Pipeline approval. Milage standards were passed, it's true.
With gasoline prices gone higher, IMO, higher milage vehicles were inevitable in any case. Wind and solar,
in particular solar tax incentives were kept in place from the Bush Administration.

I give only tangental credit to President O' Administration for coming down hard on BP for the worst
environmental disaster (near term) in US history. After a half year ultra deep drilling was back to
'normal' in the GOM.

When numbers come out for President Obama's approval ratings, we should be careful to ask voters,
'are you disappointed in the Presidents inaction on Climate Change? Did you favor universal health care,
(single payer) instead of mild private insurance reform? Are you disappointed that we are still at war in the middle east? Do you believe President Obama is not tough enough with Tea Party Republicans?
Should O have closed US secret and not so secret prisons around the world, including Guantanamo?
Should the President simply denied Keystone access instead of dithering for three years? Getting pissed
the President hid cyber spying on US citizens till exposed? Are you disappointed President is called Deporter-in-Chief?

Do you now understand, President O is, and always will be a Center Right Illinois Politician?

Oh Plant, I believe because you are so right about CO/2 being around for a hundred years, the jig is already up. We are totally screwed. From now on we rearrange deck chairs. I was of course referring to
petroleum supplies at the end of this century... 85 years. In 85 years burning scarce oil, coal and gas will be the least of our problems. The awful truth, we desperately need oil and gas to get us to 'higher ground' both actually and metaphorically.
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Re: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Thread (

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 21:46:23

G, thanks for all your updates on this (and other) thread(s). Here's a view from outside the IPCC from perhaps the main GW activist (Bill McKibben):

IPCC is stern on climate change – but it still underestimates the situation
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ssil-fuels

And from arguably the top anti-denialist site (Skeptical Science):

Why the IPCC synthesis report is necessary but not sufficient to secure a response to climate change


http://www.skepticalscience.com/Why-the ... 9E.twitter
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Re: Fossil fuels should be 'phased out by 2100' says IPCC

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 22:29:44

It might be phased out earlier, but not in the way most expect. Meanwhile, the effects of GW may persist.
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Re: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Thread (

Unread postby americandream » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 17:56:47

dohboi wrote:G, thanks for all your updates on this (and other) thread(s). Here's a view from outside the IPCC from perhaps the main GW activist (Bill McKibben):

IPCC is stern on climate change – but it still underestimates the situation
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ssil-fuels

And from arguably the top anti-denialist site (Skeptical Science):

Why the IPCC synthesis report is necessary but not sufficient to secure a response to climate change


http://www.skepticalscience.com/Why-the ... 9E.twitter


The will to do anything simply shrinks back faced with the prospect of unwinding capitalism so I cant see any change. Not for as long as we equate freedom with poisoning our habitat and ourselves.
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Re: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Thread (

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 20:54:28

Ban Ki-moon: World leaders are ready to sign climate deal

Scientists and governments have worked intensively over the last week to prepare the report, meeting once again in Copenhagen.

The location has been a bitter reminder for some of the 2009 conference, branded at the time as “No Hopenhagen” thanks to its failure to secure a deal committing governments to meaningful action on climate change.

A recent round of talks in Bonn ended in stalemate, with countries unable to agree on what their contributions to a proposed 2015 climate deal could look like.

But also speaking at the IPCC launch, Manuel Pulgar Vidal, environment minister of Peru and president of this year’s set of main UN negotiations in Lima said he felt hopeful about the prospects of success.

“We are in a completely different process in contrast to what we have in Copenhagen five years ago. We are closer to the science, with more actors like business and civil society.”



http://www.rtcc.org/2014/11/02/ban-ki-m ... imate-deal
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Unread postby Graeme » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 21:06:04

D, That's a very encouraging sign from Moon. I'll be away from tomorrow; not sure how long. So I won't be posting for a while.
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Unread postby dohboi » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 21:15:40

OK. Do good work. We'll miss ya.
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Unread postby Graeme » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 21:32:15

Thanks.
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Re: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Thread (

Unread postby americandream » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 22:57:56

dohboi wrote:Ban Ki-moon: World leaders are ready to sign climate deal

Scientists and governments have worked intensively over the last week to prepare the report, meeting once again in Copenhagen.

The location has been a bitter reminder for some of the 2009 conference, branded at the time as “No Hopenhagen” thanks to its failure to secure a deal committing governments to meaningful action on climate change.

A recent round of talks in Bonn ended in stalemate, with countries unable to agree on what their contributions to a proposed 2015 climate deal could look like.

But also speaking at the IPCC launch, Manuel Pulgar Vidal, environment minister of Peru and president of this year’s set of main UN negotiations in Lima said he felt hopeful about the prospects of success.

“We are in a completely different process in contrast to what we have in Copenhagen five years ago. We are closer to the science, with more actors like business and civil society.”



http://www.rtcc.org/2014/11/02/ban-ki-m ... imate-deal


Lol. The science of what I ask myself. Anybody care to explain the science of renewable infinite growth. Oh. I am only too familiar with Graemes renewable profit cycle...sounds like a a Ponzi scheme in the making.

Perhaps there are other options....tribal capitalism perhaps.....where we all ride on horseback down to the local Walmart perhaps. :lol:
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Unread postby dohboi » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 21:37:12

Yeah, it's hard to see how very many major capitalist enterprises are ever going to fully support what needs to be done.

Speaking of which:

IPCC censors language about the likelihood of catastrophic events and the need for "rapid and deep emission reductions" to have any chance of avoiding 2 degrees C warming (which itself is too high)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... te-report/
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Unread postby americandream » Fri 07 Nov 2014, 03:38:19

dohboi wrote:Yeah, it's hard to see how very many major capitalist enterprises are ever going to fully support what needs to be done.

Speaking of which:

IPCC censors language about the likelihood of catastrophic events and the need for "rapid and deep emission reductions" to have any chance of avoiding 2 degrees C warming (which itself is too high)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... te-report/


Ive read a fair bit on the forces of material dialecticism and then observed them in action over the years. I would say climate change is pretty much a done deal. These forces have reached their zenith in our age and barring a sudden surge in our objective capacities (which is unlikely given that capitalism is founded around our base instincts), I anticipate if anything, a lemming like rush to oblivion over the remaining decades.
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Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 07 Nov 2014, 03:46:28

americandream wrote:(which is unlikely given that capitalism is founded around our base instincts)


You make it sound like people are born capitalistic. 8O :lol:
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