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Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 06:04:28

Fighting in Ukraine has shifted from the western front near Debaltseve to the Azov Sea port city of Mariupol, a once bustling city along a crucial land route that would connect independent Republic territory with Russian-annexed Crimea, providing an economic corridor essential to Crimea’s economic viability as a Russian territory. Mariupol lies just 30 miles from the Russian border.

LPR control of Mariupol would allow Russia to transport goods to the Crimean peninsula, which presently has no land connection to the Russian mainland. It would also give the Independent Republics control of the 200 miles of coastland running from Donetsk to Crimea, effectively halving Ukraine's Azov Sea and Black Sea coastline.

Unconfirmed reports from a source with pro-Kiev forces in Mariupol said last week that soldiers there have few supplies, weapons and equipment. Food rations are scarce and many soldiers are forced to work with dilapidated and broken guns and vehicles. The forces there reportedly have little in the means of strategic direction, a complaint widespread among soldiers for Kiev. A defeat in Mariupol would further hurt Kiev's viability.

Most locals in Mariupol speak Russian and the city’s strong economic history with its former Soviet big brother Russia inclines most there to be sympathetic to Independent Republic aims of establishing semi-independent states that would continue to favor Russian ties over European ones.

For many of Mariupol’s residents, economics come first and some believe Kiev’s pro-European plans threaten the economy they’ve built up, according to an IBTimes report from Mariupol made just before the New Year.

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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Strummer » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 08:02:42

LPR control of Mariupol would allow Russia to transport goods to the Crimean peninsula


This whole theory of a "land bridge to Crimea" is complete nonsense and pure propaganda spread by people who obviously never even saw a map of Ukraine.

And anyway, "LPR"??? Mariupol is part of the Donetsk oblast, not Luhansk. Idiotic article.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby JuanP » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 11:19:31

The whole quote provided is almost completely disinformation. The only believable parts are that the Kiev regime's storm troopers are in very, very bad shape and have extremely low morale, and that the people of Mariupol want the junta's forces to go West of the Dniepper River, preferably back to Kiev.

Mariupol is a long distance from Crimea. Mariupol is very important to Novorossiya, but it is not so important to Crimea or Russia. Mariupol provides Novorossiya with a deep water port, something that would be very important to an independent Novorossiya. Novorossiya may reach Crimea and include Odessa in the long term future. I am quite certain the Novorossiyan freedom fighters will eventually control all of Novorossiya.

Crimea doesn't need a land bridge. Construction begins this year on a bridge between Crimea and Russia. This bridge has seven components that will provide rail, road, water, electricity, natural gas, oil, and optic fibres. There are also talks of a tunnel. The Chinese are interested in building them. Crimea is the only part of the former Ukraine that is better off today than it was a year ago, thanks to the Russians.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 13:11:11

No offense but how many bloody Ukraine threads do we need around here?
II Chronicles 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Pops » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 13:21:24

Subjectivist wrote:No offense but how many bloody Ukraine threads do we need around here?

I concur.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 14:30:19

In defense of Cid (gagging), Ukraine is a huge deal in how peak oil plays out. Russia wants to control Europe with their gas pipeline through Ukraine. The US led a little coup to overthrow the previous voted in leader of Ukraine, but now has no idea what to do with the mess we created. Syria is a battleground because of the potential pipeline the Saudis want to put in and bypass Russia. Russia understands this all too well and will never give up their port in Syria. Great popcorn time.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Pops » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 15:01:53

Lemme look...

Nope, no mention of any pipeline.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 22:59:14

Last week, Ukrainian national forces lost the strategic railway hub at Debaltseve despite committing thousands of troops and hundreds of armored vehicles to its defense. Less than a month earlier, they lost the Donetsk airport.

Ukraine's losses were so bad that President Petro Poroshenko sought a cease-fire, as he did last summer, when his military lost two-thirds of its armored vehicles.

So far, Ukraine has relied most on its artillery, a blunt weapon that has wreaked havoc on civilian areas and is thought to account for 80% of opposing casualties, Karber said. But they're running low on ammunition, and the bulk of the Ukrainian military is now at risk of being overrun or having their lines broken, he said.

Ukrainian units' "stocks are getting low enough it's beginning to offset their ability to protect their infantry," he said.

Ukraine's military problems go beyond inadequate weapons, said Derek Chollet, who left the Defense Department in January as assistant secretary for national security affairs.

He said Ukraine's military suffered from leadership failures, having four defense ministers in the past year, Chollet said.

Chollet said that even if Ukraine received more weapons from the West, The Independent Republics would continue to dominate the battlefield.

"The kinds of weapons and the amounts under consideration aren't going to fundamentally change the military balance," Chollet said.

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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 23 Feb 2015, 23:27:21

Dmytro Chaly, spokesman for the Ukrainian military in the port of Mariupol, a city of 500,000 people which Kiev fears will be the next target, said Independent Republic forces opened fire in the afternoon with Grad rockets, artillery and tanks on villages nearby.

Anatoly Stelmakh, another military spokesman, said DPR forces had attacked the village of Shyrokyne on the coast road towards Mariupol overnight.

There were signs that a deal reached late last year to ensure Ukraine receives gas from Russia was also in jeopardy. Last week, Kiev cut off supplies of gas to Independent Republic areas and Moscow said it would supply some gas to DPR/LPR directly. On Monday, Ukraine's gas company said Russia had failed to deliver some supplies Kiev had paid for in advance.

Kiev fears unrest could spread to other parts of the mainly Russian-speaking east, where its troops are in control but violent demonstrations have occasionally flared in the past year.

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Ukraine will not withdraw heavy artillery from the front line because of continued fighting, officials said on Monday.

The decision to keep artillery in the area puts further pressure on a tentative peace agreement signed in Minsk on February 12.

“Given that the positions of Ukrainian servicemen continue to be shelled, there cannot yet be any talk of pulling back weapons,” said Vladislav Seleznyov, a Ukrainian military spokesman, at a televised briefing.

Two Ukrainian soldiers were killed and 10 wounded over a 24 hour period on Sunday and Monday, the Ukrainian military said, as fighting continued in the east of the country.

Violence has tailed off in eastern Ukraine since the fall of the strategic rail hub of Debaltseve last Wednesday, but fighting continues in key flash points including the village of Shirokino near Mariupol.

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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 24 Feb 2015, 03:51:28

Reportedly, they fought with each other at Shirokino for a while, a Nazi battalion (Azov) against the regular Kiev army, with no Donetsk forces being involved.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby dissident » Tue 24 Feb 2015, 22:30:11

http://newcoldwar.org/antiwar-protest-i ... ohn-kerry/

Another new law will legalize tapping of cell-phones and reading of e-mail messages of those who evade conscription, and it will authorize covert surveillance of them. Dozens of such “evaders” have already been detained, some even convicted. This includes journalist and Euromaidan activist Roman Kotsaba, after he publicly criticized the war mobilization (which has not yet been officially declared by the Ukrainian government so as to not conflict with President Poroshenko’s businesses). He was arrested by secret services and is imprisoned for at least several months.

President Poroshenko began the government’s current session with the following words (in the spirit of H. Himmler or Al Capone): “Ukraine’s secret services have already found a stash where anti-Ukrainian activity was generating from and, as of today, 19 opponents of military draft have been seized by their balls.” According to Poroshenko, those opposing war, be they activists or journalists, present the same threat as the “armed enemies at the front,” and therefore should be treated accordingly. We are only left to regret that the death penalty is temporarily abolished in our country and the arrested traitors cannot be punished to the extent which they deserve.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 00:48:34

dissident wrote:According to Poroshenko, those opposing war, be they activists or journalists, present the same threat as the “armed enemies at the front,” and therefore should be treated accordingly. "We are only left to regret that the death penalty is temporarily abolished in our country and the arrested traitors cannot be punished to the extent which they deserve."


Yes, at the end, Hitler ordered all those not at their assigned posts shot. The movie Bridge at Remagen, shows an officer who went to headquarters to seek supporting armor to defend the bridge into Germany, shot, for no good reason at all.

Here, Poroshenko wants to shoot draft dodgers. How desperate is that?

His government has never been legitimate. Why should they sacrifice their lives to defend it against their own people.

This is the Evil the US now supports. And just encourages the fascists in our own country.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby radon1 » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 04:22:33

You know how people prove that they are not fascists? By pre-emptively calling the other side fascists. How can there be fascists in the USAnia while everyone has been told numerous times that Putlandia is the land of the fascists by default.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 13:04:38

radon1 wrote:You know how people prove that they are not fascists? By pre-emptively calling the other side fascists.
As in "Islamofascism".
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby radon1 » Thu 26 Feb 2015, 11:56:31

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-2 ... any-minute

Ukraine To Halt Currency Trading Again Any Minute

With Prime Minister Yatsenyuk putting his foot down and squeezing the central bank to lift capital controls, Ukraine's currency is totally collapsing this morning. Up over 5 handles to a fresh record low of 33.75/USD, we suspect currency trading will be halted any minute.


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Mariupol exchangers Today the dollar has broken another record. Buy 1 dollar for 44 hryvnia can sell for 32 hryvnia, according to the city's website 0629.com.

Related to this is a panic in the city - in many shops in the city are buying cereals, flour, sugar. By the way, the price of sugar already reached 18 hryvnia per kilogram. "Soon people will buy cookies to drink tea without sugar," - joked seller.


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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby Withnail » Thu 26 Feb 2015, 12:11:05

radon1 wrote:
Mariupol exchangers Today the dollar has broken another record. Buy 1 dollar for 44 hryvnia can sell for 32 hryvnia, according to the city's website 0629.com.

Related to this is a panic in the city - in many shops in the city are buying cereals, flour, sugar. By the way, the price of sugar already reached 18 hryvnia per kilogram. "Soon people will buy cookies to drink tea without sugar," - joked seller.




What's interesting is that the rate in Kiev is only 36 to the dollar.

More signs that the country is fragmenting.

Failed state syndrome.

And a lot of this is to do with these idiotic private militias which are now being allowed to run cities. The Western media may gloss over this, but the money markets won't.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby radon1 » Thu 26 Feb 2015, 16:58:00

http://youtu.be/i5IJnEizRpQ?t=1m15s

Super-uber-democratic-western-aspiring-freedom-inspiring (SUDWAFI) Kievan goblinment sends riot police to crash the "financial maidan" in front of the National Bank of Ukraine couple hours ago. The protesters protested against the collapsing hryvna and living standards.

This was a good attack on protesters because it was done by the SUDWAFI goblinment rather than evil Yanukovich.
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby radon1 » Sat 28 Feb 2015, 02:49:33

http://youtu.be/ZQh0I7A-7r0

US-Sponsored Kievan forces are committing kidnappings in Slavyansk, reportedly, "to exchange the kidnapped on POWs".

Reportedly, similar mass kidnappings are currently happening in Mariupol, "to cleanse the city from disloyal elements".

In addition, three Ukrainian politicians "committed suicide" tonight: M. Chechetov, former deputy chairman of the South-East leaning Party of Regions; S. Valter, mayor of Melitopol; and A.Bordug, a security official (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 69091.html).
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Re: Independent Republic advance continues in Ukraine

Unread postby dissident » Sat 28 Feb 2015, 10:12:00

radon1 wrote:http://youtu.be/ZQh0I7A-7r0

US-Sponsored Kievan forces are committing kidnappings in Slavyansk, reportedly, "to exchange the kidnapped on POWs".

Reportedly, similar mass kidnappings are currently happening in Mariupol, "to cleanse the city from disloyal elements".

In addition, three Ukrainian politicians "committed suicide" tonight: M. Chechetov, former deputy chairman of the South-East leaning Party of Regions; S. Valter, mayor of Melitopol; and A.Bordug, a security official (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 69091.html).


We are all Boris Nemtsov now. The deaths of thousands in Ukraine at the hands of a Washington installed coup regime don't matter.
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