[vtsnowedin]

thanks for that reply vts , that will clarify it for those who detect ambiguity. Though some already correctly assumed I meant sea ice.

Oh just being contrary for the fun of it. I do think the sea ice free date is beyond any of the choices you have given so did not vote.
Now if you were passing out money to the winners you would indeed have to have a very clear and measurable definition of what constitutes "Ice free".
Perhaps being able to sail a none ice breaking ocean vessel straight north from any point on the arctic shore line , over the pole and then south to the opposite shore without having to change course to avoid any ice. The usual turns for shallow water and islands excepted of course.
Maybe around 2030 depending on how events play out.

[onlooker]

Yes V that is what dohboi also alluded to in reference to extent and mass/volume. I am not thy expert maybe somebody else would like to weigh in as to what would constitute ice-free conditions. oops sea ice. haha.

[cipi604]

It will never happen. You delusional morons repeat the same message for the past 15 years and every year you look more and more stupid.

[C8]

This is a fundamentally dishonest poll as it leaves out a wide range of years that could be chosen.

[onlooker]

I disagree that the poll is dishonest in so much as a poll is not about a right or wrong answer but how preferences. I chose these preferences or options because I wished to gauge how many here saw this eventuality as imminent. Thus those near term years I chose. Anyone is free to create their own poll to reflect whatever information on input they wish.

[Apneaman]

Accelerating Towards an Arctic Blue Ocean Event

http://collapseofindustrialcivilization ... ean-event/

[Apneaman]

The First Arctic Blue Ocean Event.

Professor Paul Beckwith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS6-fwKU4oE

[dissident]

It will never happen. You delusional morons repeat the same message for the past 15 years and every year you look more and more stupid.

Take a valium, dude.

The sea ice volume continues to decline whether you believe it or not.

[onlooker]

Cipi nobody has ever said the Arctic sea is ice free NOW. For the past 15 years it has continued to lose ice extent and volume. How the heck does that make anyone look stupid who simply are noticing that. It is you who looks stupid for making that inane comment.

[Apneaman]

Oh look Cipi now those Socialist lefties over at Bloomberg Business are in on the Climate "Hoax". Must be looking for grant money.

The Freakish Year in Broken Climate Records
State of the climate: Broken


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... te-records

[Outcast_Searcher]

As I read the comments, I am believing even more in aliens arriving to save us. I'm basing my belief on the quality of the comments ie thoughtful, educated, knowledgeable and worthy of discussion but, hell, I live in America with the, by far, worst educational system in the industrialized world.

Well, why don't you specify which comments you have the problem with, and also please specify what points you have a problem with?

I'll certainly agree America has a terrible (and given the results, apparently worsening) K-12 educational system. I'll also agree that grammar, spelling, proofreading, etc. are frequently absent in a distressing percentage of the comments.

However, if you tell us NOTHING about what you dislike about the substance of the comments, your comment is so vague as to be an (accidental) example of irony, re your complaint.

[Karle]

Arctic will definitely be ice free once the current ice age ends.

That might be 1000s of years, no one knows, until we get back to normal.

The definition of ice age is that there are ice caps on the poles.

[dohboi]

Karle, at the least, you need to review your definitions. Then may I suggest doing a bit of unbiased research. Then get back to us.

[Apneaman]

Arctic Sea Ice Collapse Threatens - Update 1



http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2015/07/ ... ate-1.html

[onlooker]

Already virtually all the thick sea ice has disappeared and 2015 still has some two months of melting ahead before it can be expected to reach its minimum extent and volume.

Wow, as per my poll maybe 2015 or 2016 were the correct choices after all.

[dohboi]

Note also that the area that used to most reliably have most of the thickest ice--right along the Canadian Archipelago--now has a persistent ribbon of open water.

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2 ... R2_nic.png

With the cooling of the North Atlantic from the slowing of AMOC, I suspect that the 'safe ice' will shift from the CAA to the Atlantic side of the central Arctic Basin.

[Tanada]

Note also that the area that used to most reliably have most of the thickest ice--right along the Canadian Archipelago--now has a persistent ribbon of open water.

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2 ... R2_nic.png

With the cooling of the North Atlantic from the slowing of AMOC, I suspect that the 'safe ice' will shift from the CAA to the Atlantic side of the central Arctic Basin.

If it is free floating instead of landfast it could very well end up flushed out the strait into the North Atlantic where rapid melting is guaranteed. We saw a lot of the old thick ice get exported starting in 2007, this would be even more dramatic.

[onlooker]

haha, maybe I should have made the poll so people could change their vote in light of the dramatic things happening now up in the Arctic.

[sparky]

.
For the last 15 years the Arctic sea ice extend has had minimums around 5 Millions Km^2

2012 was the lowest , a bit of a freak year , 2013 , 2014 were steady
there is a noticeable warming trend , but nothing dramatic
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charc ... ice-graph/

[Karle]

Dohboi, who am I to set up definitions. I just learn from people who know so much more than me. And I learned that an ice age, like just now, is definied by ice caps on the poles and glaciers in lower latitudes, and that there are cold times where there is ice all over the place like in Europe no so long ago where the ice was one mile high, and there are interglacials, where there is a bit less ice like now. Nevertheless still ice age.
Also I learned that there were several ice ages in the history of the earth, and several non-ice ages (not sure what they are called in English).
About 90% of the time there were non-ice ages.
10% of the time there were ices ages, like now.

It should be easy to see what the normal is.