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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 10:31:27

As Sec. Tillerson would say, things the 'F**king Moron' did today ...

Trump Threatens to Abandon Puerto Rico Recovery Effort

President Trump served notice Thursday that he may pull back federal relief workers from Puerto Rico, effectively threatening to abandon the U.S. territory amid a staggering humanitarian crisis in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.

In a trio of tweets, Trump wrote” “We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!” https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 9282342912

Three weeks since Maria made landfall, much of Puerto Rico, an island of 3.4 million people, remains without power. Residents struggle to find clean water, hospitals are running short on medicine and commerce is slow with many businesses closed.

Trump has been roundly criticized for his leadership in coming to Puerto Rico's aid. Trump, in response, has tried to portray the island as in full recovery mode, even as it suffers from enduring health, power and water problems. During a visit last week, he tossed rolls of paper towels at local residents as if they were basketballs, drawing scorn from local leaders, and noted that the death toll was lower than the “real catastrophe” of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Directly contradicting what he and the Vice President said 2 weeks ago ...
... “I say to all of you gathered here today to the people of Puerto Rico: We are with you, we stand with you, and we will be with you every single day until Puerto Rico is restored bigger and better than ever before”
- V.P. Pence Oct. 11, 2017

... “We will not rest, however, until the people of Puerto Rico are safe.” ... “These are great people. We want them to be safe and sound and secure. And we will be there every day until that happens.”
- D. tRump Sept. 29, 2017
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 13:54:09

I don't know what the military can do to assist in getting power back. They need an army of linemen and electricians, plus line trucks (once they get done in Florida?) and mountains of poles, wire and other supplies.

So maybe the role where the military can be effective is over. I don't know. I would need to see some qualitative assessment if the situation to know if it stupid or not.

As usual he has swallowed his foot. We should be used to that by now.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 16:08:45

Once the roads are clear and temporary bridges are in place the military will have completed their mission except for some security details until the full civilian police force is back at work. As for the power grid the initial estimate was for six months which works out to a half a percent per day. They appear to be gaining faster then that but perhaps they are doing the easiest fixes first and will soon slow down. I've seen news reports from the anti Trump media that say the estimate is now ten months to a full year but no named source was given. Something on the order of 100,000 poles need to be replaced so you would need about 200 line trucks working six days a week to get it done in six months.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:16:21

Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, who is leading the United States military effort in Puerto Rico, said that conditions were only somewhat improved since he arrived two weeks ago. “It’s still complete devastation across the island,” he said.

It’s going to take a long time to fix.”


But please ignore what the Lt.General in charge of operations has to say about the situation, and defer to armchair coaches typing whatever wafts through their addled brains on whatever forums haven't banned them yet... :-D :-D :-D

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/p ... rever.html

On NPR he was just quoted as saying that the army will need to be there for month to years.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 18:57:14

dohboi wrote:
Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, who is leading the United States military effort in Puerto Rico, said that conditions were only somewhat improved since he arrived two weeks ago. “It’s still complete devastation across the island,” he said.

It’s going to take a long time to fix.”


But please ignore what the Lt.General in charge of operations has to say about the situation, and defer to armchair coaches typing whatever wafts through their addled brains on whatever forums haven't banned them yet... :-D :-D :-D

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/p ... rever.html

On NPR he was just quoted as saying that the army will need to be there for month to years.

If it takes that long to clear the roads and put bridges in place that is how long they will be there. What other task do you think falls to the Army or National guard?
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 22:32:33

dohboi wrote:
But please ignore what the Lt.General in charge of operations has to say about the situation, and defer to armchair coaches typing whatever wafts through their addled brains on whatever forums haven't banned them yet...

When a forum bans me it will be for the first time ever. I have no sock puppets here or on any other board and am not paid by anyone to be here.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cog » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 22:33:30

Perhaps if corrupt local officials weren't funneling relief aid into their buddy's pockets the rebuilding would proceed at a faster pace. Pretty much exactly what happened in New Orleans after Katrina which is why Ray Nagin, former mayor of New Orleans, is in prison. This is the way the Democrat party works no matter the locality.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/12/fbi-r ... ne-relief/

WASHINGTON — The Federal Bureau of Investigation in Puerto Rico received multiple allegations from residents across the island who say local officials in the territory have withheld needed FEMA supplies.

“People call us and tell us some misappropriation of some goods and supplies by supposedly politicians, not necessarily mayors, but people that work for the mayors in certain towns,” FBI Special Agent Carlos Osorio told The Daily Caller Wednesday.

Osorio explained, “They’re supposedly withholding these goods and these supplies and instead of handing them out to people who really need them, [there are claims] that [local officials] are assigning them to their buddies first–people that have voted for them or people that contributed to their campaigns or what not.”
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 23:29:17

Cog wrote:Perhaps if corrupt local officials weren't funneling relief aid into their buddy's pockets the rebuilding would proceed at a faster pace. Pretty much exactly what happened in New Orleans after Katrina which is why Ray Nagin, former mayor of New Orleans, is in prison. This is the way the Democrat party works no matter the locality.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/12/fbi-r ... ne-relief/

WASHINGTON — The Federal Bureau of Investigation in Puerto Rico received multiple allegations from residents across the island who say local officials in the territory have withheld needed FEMA supplies.

“People call us and tell us some misappropriation of some goods and supplies by supposedly politicians, not necessarily mayors, but people that work for the mayors in certain towns,” FBI Special Agent Carlos Osorio told The Daily Caller Wednesday.

Osorio explained, “They’re supposedly withholding these goods and these supplies and instead of handing them out to people who really need them, [there are claims] that [local officials] are assigning them to their buddies first–people that have voted for them or people that contributed to their campaigns or what not.”

Don't hold your breath waiting for MSNBC to pick up this story line and do some on scene reporting to get to the truth of the matter.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 23:57:58

After Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico on Sep 20, the island lost power, and experienced extensive flooding, leaving thousands homeless and without access to routine medical care. Now, as the waters recede, the Infectious Diseases Society of America (ISDA) is warning that the US territory faces public health threats that need to be countered by immediate funding and aid from the US government.

Underscoring worries about disease threats, local officials are reporting leptospirosis infections and deaths in people affected by the storm.

According to the Associated Press (AP), Ricardo Rossello, governor of Puerto Rico, said at a news conference yesterday that 4 people had died and 10 were sickened with leptospirosis, a bacterial illness spread through contact with contaminated animal urine or contact with the urine via water, soil, or other means.

The disease can be spread when people drink water contaminated with animal urine or feces, and without treatment, complications can develop, including kidney damage, meningitis, liver failure, or respiratory distress.

According to the AP, many Puerto Ricans have taken to drinking from local streams because clean water has been unavailable for the last 2 weeks.

The IDSA named "waterborne pathogens, the spread of infections in crowded shelters, food-borne illnesses, mosquito-borne infections and mold-related illnesses," as a few of the immediate areas of concern for Puerto Ricans. Moreover, the hurricane has jeopardized access to medicines for patients with HIV and tuberculosis, as well as antibiotics, oral hydration solutions, and other basic first aid care.

In an update yesterday, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said there are reports of residents obtaining, or trying to obtain, drinking water from hazardous waste "Superfund" sites in Puerto Rico. It also added that raw sewage continues to be released into waterways and can be expected to continue until repairs are made and power is restored.

54 % still remain without clean water.

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 00:41:00

What is your point Cid?
Are you saying the people of Puerto Rico are a group of ignorant fools that can't fend for themselves in a difficult situation and have to have every meal and drink of water handed to them certified safe by the government?
So you are taking water out of a hillside stream. Do you need to boil it before drinking it? Do you think they are all that stupid that they can't make the right decisions on that and every other question in front of them.
Sounds awfully raciest to me.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby GHung » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 08:23:18

VT said; "Do you think they are all that stupid that they can't make the right decisions on that and every other question in front of them."

That's not racist. It's typical that some (not all) are that stupid, or ignorant, or desperate. We often see this sort of thing after disasters. And you skip the part where Cid re-posted an article that you apparently disagree with. Or are you just trying, as usual, to pick another fight?
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 09:11:01

Puerto Rico is a hive of villainy and corruption. A disaster hasn't changed that one iota. Puts the corruption of New Orleans and Chicago to shame.

Cid wants the USA to literally deliver food and water door to door to 3.5 million people, forgive their massive debt, rebuild their electrical grid, rebuild all their homes, and continue to hand them out money. To do less, in his mind, is racist. You doomers are really soft and sensitive people. If your visions of the Apocalypse come true, that you furiously masturbate over every night, do you really think there will be a government to hold your hand? :o :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 11:59:44

Cog wrote:Puerto Rico is a hive of villainy and corruption. A disaster hasn't changed that one iota. Puts the corruption of New Orleans and Chicago to shame.

Cid wants the USA to literally deliver food and water door to door to 3.5 million people, forgive their massive debt, rebuild their electrical grid, rebuild all their homes, and continue to hand them out money. To do less, in his mind, is racist. You doomers are really soft and sensitive people. If your visions of the Apocalypse come true, that you furiously masturbate over every night, do you really think there will be a government to hold your hand? :o :lol: :lol:

You are a racist Cog.

Is it okay to say that? Cog, please don't report me to the mods. Cog. Please!
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 13:06:53

pstarr wrote:
Cog wrote:Puerto Rico is a hive of villainy and corruption. A disaster hasn't changed that one iota. Puts the corruption of New Orleans and Chicago to shame.

Cid wants the USA to literally deliver food and water door to door to 3.5 million people, forgive their massive debt, rebuild their electrical grid, rebuild all their homes, and continue to hand them out money. To do less, in his mind, is racist. You doomers are really soft and sensitive people. If your visions of the Apocalypse come true, that you furiously masturbate over every night, do you really think there will be a government to hold your hand? :o :lol: :lol:

You are a racist Cog.

Is it okay to say that? Cog, please don't report me to the mods. Cog. Please!


I guess its fine pstarr. Ibon calls me a racist, Nazi, Klan member daily. I'm totally ok with him saying it. It makes him feel better. Does calling me a racist make you feel better? :razz:
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 14:17:04

It felt great, thanks :)

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 14:42:22

Cog wrote:Puerto Rico is a hive of villainy and corruption. A disaster hasn't changed that one iota. Puts the corruption of New Orleans and Chicago to shame.

Now would be a good time to clean that up. I'm betting none of the politicians on the island have gone bankrupt. :o
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 18:26:14

God, you guys are morons. A few corrupt Puerto Ricans are nothing, just a couple of pikers. Nothing compared to Donald Trump Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve.

If you see a need to get all partisan on me, don't bother. Just edit the above with this instead: Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 21:28:35

pstarr wrote:God, you guys are morons. A few corrupt Puerto Ricans are nothing, just a couple of pikers. Nothing compared to Donald Trump Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve.

If you see a need to get all partisan on me, don't bother. Just edit the above with this instead: Donald Trump Hillary Clinton

The kleptocrats at the top are by definition in the one percent and therefor just a few of the Puerto Rican population. That does not mean they are not stealing the rest of the population blind while they also milk the US government for all they can get and skim off from.
To be against corruption, both political and in business, is not to be against the Puerto Rican population and is just the opposite, a support to their fight against poverty.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 14 Oct 2017, 01:33:18

Cog wrote:Puerto Rico is a hive of villainy and corruption. A disaster hasn't changed that one iota. Puts the corruption of New Orleans and Chicago to shame.

Cid wants the USA to literally deliver food and water door to door to 3.5 million people, forgive their massive debt, rebuild their electrical grid, rebuild all their homes, and continue to hand them out money. To do less, in his mind, is racist. You doomers are really soft and sensitive people. If your visions of the Apocalypse come true, that you furiously masturbate over every night, do you really think there will be a government to hold your hand? :o :lol: :lol:


Cog,

I doubt you know CIDs mind. Let him speak for himself.

And clean up your language.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 14 Oct 2017, 01:50:37

vtsnowedin wrote:
pstarr wrote:God, you guys are morons. A few corrupt Puerto Ricans are nothing, just a couple of pikers. Nothing compared to Donald Trump Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve.

If you see a need to get all partisan on me, don't bother. Just edit the above with this instead: Donald Trump Hillary Clinton

The kleptocrats at the top are by definition in the one percent and therefor just a few of the Puerto Rican population. That does not mean they are not stealing the rest of the population blind while they also milk the US government for all they can get and skim off from.
To be against corruption, both political and in business, is not to be against the Puerto Rican population and is just the opposite, a support to their fight against poverty.


These are both good corrective posts pointing to corruption in specific groups. They do not rise to racism because they describe specific groups behavior.

While there may be much corruption in PR it is likely not significantly different from Washington, DC.
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