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How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 16:50:13

dohboi wrote:I know of no school that has, for example, a communist program ... that similarly teach propaganda from those perspectives.


Of course there are.

University of Havana.
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Pyongyang University of North Korea.
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Possibly also Universities in Venezuela, but I'm not sure to what degree the regime there has purged the universities to enforce pro-communism groupthink.

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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 17:29:54

LOL, I of course meant in the US, but...point taken. :)
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 18:17:49

dohboi wrote:"
Just one example: nearly all schools now have economics departments and also business programs. These basically teach capitalist propaganda non-stop.

I know of no school that has, for example, a communist program or an anarchist program that similarly teach propaganda from those perspectives, or just to balance the right-wing capitalist ideologies.

The indoctrination of Capitalism is so ingrained and profound in this country that its preeminence is assumed as almost a law of the Universe by many Americans :shock:
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 22:12:50

And yet:

Millennials aren't satisfied with capitalism — and might prefer a socialist country, studies find

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... rylink=cpy
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 09:44:24

It is always so with youth.

Ask them again when they are 50.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 10:48:41

Newfie wrote:It is always so with youth.

Ask them again when they are 50.

And maybe not going forward but in the past, when migrants and young people "made it", in the US , they became ardent fans of the "American Dream'

So, you can I guess say our views are shaped by our circumstances
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Cog » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 11:38:56

Berkeley commie central.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 16:33:24

It is always so with youth.

Ask them again when they are 50.


...or 76?...

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...or 88?...

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

My parents were conservative young Republicans in their youth, but now, at 87 and 93 respectively, are more Socialist than ever.

Just sayin', it doesn't always go in just one direction, folks.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 17:53:39

Not always, just mostly.

Remember the hippie generation? They are now in congress.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 01 Dec 2017, 18:23:32

I always imagined the youth saying the opposite during times of prosperity.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 02 Dec 2017, 11:59:57

dohboi wrote:
My parents were conservative young Republicans in their youth, but now, at 87 and 93 respectively, are more Socialist than ever.

Just sayin', it doesn't always go in just one direction, folks.


I called Nixon an asshole when watching him on TV heading toward impeachment and my father, an ardent supporter, took off his belt to beat me in rage and I ran out of the house and he was chasing me down the street.

Like your parents Dohboi my dad became an ardent supporter of Clinton and Obama before passing away a couple of years ago.

As you say it isn't just in one direction.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 02 Dec 2017, 13:12:16

asg70 wrote:Groups always try to harness education as ideological indoctrination. Sometimes it's subtle, but it's there. In public schools in red states they teach creationalism and present AGW as unsettled. In higher education there is an immense left-wing bias which encourages people to be outraged over the trivial. Just as in news, there's no way to remove bias completely.


I think there is a huge bias in religion. I think that bias is along the lines of the evolutionary paradigm. The laws surrounding religion are very much about survival. Not eating pork, for instance, would keep a person from getting certain diseases. In a sense, they are about learning ways of being which increase one's chances of survival. It's not hard to see religion as a survival of the fittest exercise. It survives pretty well, in its most modern Christian renditions, without the sort of compassion that Christianity has become famous for. In this manner, it falls into bed pretty easily with the Republican money grab/hostage taking situation going on that is centered around exploiting special interest voters. There is this great intersection in American politics right now. These sometimes disparate actors are now bedfellows.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 02 Dec 2017, 13:18:37

Ibon...ouch! Did he catch you? If so, I hope your rear has recovered! :shock:

My father in law was also a Nixon Republican who became a Clinton Dem...though he hasn't tanned my hide...yet!! 8O 8O :lol:
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 02 Dec 2017, 13:23:11

eg, a lot of what religion is is just a further form of group identification, which indeed can have various benefits.

There are various theories about pork prohibitions, but according to Finklestein, the earliest archeological evidence of it is that the hill tribes near Gaza suddenly mostly stopped eating it when in about 1200 the Peleset new comers who settled on the coast arrived and their diet was particularly high in pig meat. So from the beginning it was a way of polarizing groups, furthering an 'us/them' distinction. This, according to Finklestein, is also the first evidence of a Jewish cultural identity in the archeological record.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 02 Dec 2017, 13:28:26

dohboi wrote:And yet:

Millennials aren't satisfied with capitalism — and might prefer a socialist country, studies find

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... rylink=cpy


Interesting. We frame any collectivist arrangement as immediately communist based on the cold war legacy. Millennials do not carry this as baggage in their zeitgeist.

The consequences of overshoot and constraints applied to a post cold war generation like the millennials may very well break the socialist barrier.

Cog may have to deal with this bitter reality if he is still around when his future grandchild reaches adult age.
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Re: How Our Own Biases Blind Us To Climate Change

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 03 Dec 2017, 00:11:15

"Millennials do not carry this as baggage"

Nicely put.
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