vision-master wrote:$3.55 here in Mn with rumors of it going to $4 by the end of the Month. I have a Nephew that bought a country home and drives 80 miles one way to work. I tried warning them, but you know, there is no such thing as peak oil. BAU.....
Lumpy wrote:vision-master wrote:$3.55 here in Mn with rumors of it going to $4 by the end of the Month. I have a Nephew that bought a country home and drives 80 miles one way to work. I tried warning them, but you know, there is no such thing as peak oil. BAU.....
Man, I hear you. Trying to talk sense into some people -- who keep going for the BAU.
Tried to talk grown kids (two sons - both professional commercial/residential painters --- plus at home wife of one of them, and their two sons 4 & 2) into moving to near the farm place here in rural Idaho about 3 yrs ago -- getting whatever work they could (didn't have to be "fulfilling" -- just had to make $$), and working on the farm place every moment they could to build it up faster ... so that it could support everyone "in time."
They showed up but didn't "get it" about the need to "make hay while the sun shines" in terms of making bucks while the economy would pay them ... while putting sweat equity into what would sustain them long-term. They just wanted to play farmer -- without the SLIGHTEST clue as to what needed to happen on a farm ... and without ANY thought for the fact that it costs MONEY to support more people. (i.e. -- NEED TO WORK -- wherever, doing whatever, as long as it's legal, in order to support selves until time came that the farm became primary source of support - by necessity).
So they left again.
Now they have all been increasingly living in a world of hurt. I.E. Work is scarce.
The one who is single is living with his 89 year old grandmother, trying (for past 18 months) to establish a business that requires him to drive a lot ... while also working side jobs, painting. (Those are getting scarcer.) He also has a job as a driver delivering medical equipment (hospital beds, etc) for Hospice patients and the like. He was recently told that no one there will be getting raises (they don't make squat to start with), because "The cost of fuel is going up too much too fast."
The one with the wife and two kids (now 7 & 5) recently gave up trying to establish a business along the sames lines as his younger brother (see above - lots of driving required), and has been desperately taking little painting jobs, etc. Has to leave family for weeks at a time to DRIVE 400 miles for painting jobs that come up. Often ends up sleeping in car for 4-5 nights out of 7 ... because it costs him so much to drive to the jobs that he can't afford lodging.
SO -- BAU thinking. Yeah, I'm seeing the pain it's causing in my own family for my own kids and grandkids. And so for me, too.
If a 2X4 up the side of their heads would have convinced them 3 yrs ago that BAU was going away, I would have used it!!!
Lumpy
misterno wrote:In Turkey, 1 liter of gas is 4.08TL
1 USD =1.6TL
So 1 gallon of gas is 4.08X3.875/1.6= $9.88
Average wage for a new grad is like 1,000TL after taxes which is $660/month. So working 172 hours a month, it comes to $4.5/hr
Do you Americans feel better now?
Take the public transportation and you will be fine
vision-master wrote:For myself, now I worry about ME as it looks like I'm gonna need very expensive infusions to keep from locking up (PsA). Not good.
Living in the city, like I do, means no public transportation either, with rare exception.Lumpy wrote:misterno wrote:In Turkey, 1 liter of gas is 4.08TL
1 USD =1.6TL
So 1 gallon of gas is 4.08X3.875/1.6= $9.88
Average wage for a new grad is like 1,000TL after taxes which is $660/month. So working 172 hours a month, it comes to $4.5/hr
Do you Americans feel better now?
Take the public transportation and you will be fine
Ouch!
However, living rural (like we do) means no public transportation.
On the other hand, means growing a lot of our own food.
Lumpy
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