eXpat wrote:Because the moron thinks he found some valid counter argument to support his consumption dreams. For the record i would gladly starve off in front of the cameras 24/7 if that would stop the disproportionate destruction of nature by morons like you, but it won´t happen, you know why?, because i can do it, and all the people in the forum can go for it but it won´t be change anything because morons like YOU have to have their cozy lifestyle, here is an example, tell me did this:
stop the Vietnam war? here you have people self immolating as you want for an issue less important than the one we are discussing here. What changed? nothing, nothing at all.
So stop trying to change the issue. YOU are the one advocating the destruction of the little virgin land that still remains in this planet to feed even more people.
What about your proposals? what about some voluntary powerdown, from the countries than use more energy and food? what about drastic measures to control population? are you in favor of that? Of course not, i bet you are in the camp that says "eventually population will stabilize for itself" very nice argument. kick the solution to some indefinite future to others take the responsability. And lets keep our way of life, what the hell, i´m not to blame.
Finally the true colours of Shitfinder have appeared eh? nothing will stand in the way to my plasma tv and my disney holidays. Wow, what a pathetic excuse for a human being.
You have answered your own question. If you aren't willing to kill yourself to save the planet, or if you aren't willing to let yourself starve to save the planet, then you cannot expect anyone else to. Here you are, eating food just like everyone else, typing words in front of a plasma computer sceen in your home, and yet you are trying to tell us that we shouldn't eat and that we shouldn't engage in consumptive lifestyles. Is there any wonder why so many consider your movement to be a fringe movement?
As for the items on your list, I have nothing against them - but ironically, it's already happening even without any "drastic measures." On this list here for example, you'll discover that per capita energy consumption in the US has been flat or declining for over 30 years. Bet you didn't know that. If it weren't for population growth, we would already be "powering down" without much of a deliberate attempt to do so. This will happen in the rest of the developed world (probably already is happening) and will eventually be followed by the developing world. So the only thing you've got left to complain about is population growth.
Now, I don't share your environmental doomsday p.o.v. even *with* population growth, but I'll humor you for the time being. To understand why I don't share your view, all you have to do is read the many past predictions of environmental doomsday, and get a laugh at their track record. I'm still waiting for that Dieoff which was supposed to happen in the 70's, and then the 80's, and the 90's . . .