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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 17:41:42

Lore wrote:You may know Houston, but as for people they are not just going to keep moving a few miles inland as there will be nothing to keep them in the area and every reason to leave. At about 13 meters Houston becomes a swamp. Just my guess, but if current conditions persist to accelerate we will be at more than half of that by the end of the century, if not sooner. Most residents will have long been gone before then. Most likely as soon as the coast dissappears along with the antigueted oil industry. The only ones left will be those that wern't smart enough to get out in time.


Lore, the edge of what we think of as "Houston" here, is 50 miles from the bay, and at 150 ft above Sea Level. Besides, Houston won't become a swamp. It has never NOT been a swamp! What do you think this is, some rocky California coastal city? After it rains, I sink ankle deep in mud.. in my front lawn, and I'm on high ground. The soil moves so much we have a vast industry of companies that redo foundations that have literally split into multiple pieces.

As to "they are not just going to keep moving a few miles inland..." Again, you know nothing of Houston. Houstonians have been doing EXACTLY that at least since the 1940's. A good 75+ years of standard behavior; its what they did then, its what they do right now; its exactly the same thing they'll be doing 50 years from now. Houstonians are weird too; kinda backwards; once they move far out in the "burbs" as it were; they then build high rise office buildings... IN THE BURBS to reduce their commute (then shortly thereafter.. move further out... again).

There is no zoning.

There are no rules that say you can't put a high rise office building, industrial park, or pretty much anything legal (brothels and drug dens tend to get frowned upon) in the middle of a subdivision. And that's pretty much exactly what we do, have done forever, and will continue to do.

Houstonians will keep moving North and West.... until we annex Austin and remedy their version of "weird" :-D

The simple reality of Houston and sea level rise, is that whatever piece of land you think is so important that it must define the location of Houston will be abandoned and uninhabited long before SLR is a problem.

Houston is NOT a stuck in place spot on the map. Houston moves. And it moves faster than SLR. Much faster.

Oh, and where ever the San Jac, BufBayou and Trinity happen to hit the bay? You can rest assured oil will be processed, natural gas squished, cars unloaded, etc. Whether that's where they are today, or 10-40 miles further inland, makes no difference. That spot will be "Houston".

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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Lore » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 18:02:40

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Lore wrote:You may know Houston, but as for people they are not just going to keep moving a few miles inland as there will be nothing to keep them in the area and every reason to leave. At about 13 meters Houston becomes a swamp. Just my guess, but if current conditions persist to accelerate we will be at more than half of that by the end of the century, if not sooner. Most residents will have long been gone before then. Most likely as soon as the coast dissappears along with the antigueted oil industry. The only ones left will be those that wern't smart enough to get out in time.


Lore, the edge of what we think of as "Houston" here, is 50 miles from the bay, and at 150 ft above Sea Level. Besides, Houston won't become a swamp. It has never NOT been a swamp! What do you think this is, some rocky California coastal city? After it rains, I sink ankle deep in mud.. in my front lawn, and I'm on high ground. The soil moves so much we have a vast industry of companies that redo foundations that have literally split into multiple pieces.

As to "they are not just going to keep moving a few miles inland..." Again, you know nothing of Houston. Houstonians have been doing EXACTLY that at least since the 1940's. A good 75+ years of standard behavior; its what they did then, its what they do right now; its exactly the same thing they'll be doing 50 years from now. Houstonians are weird too; kinda backwards; once they move far out in the "burbs" as it were; they then build high rise office buildings... IN THE BURBS to reduce their commute (then shortly thereafter.. move further out... again).

There is no zoning.

There are no rules that say you can't put a high rise office building, industrial park, or pretty much anything legal (brothels and drug dens tend to get frowned upon) in the middle of a subdivision. And that's pretty much exactly what we do, have done forever, and will continue to do.

Houstonians will keep moving North and West.... until we annex Austin and remedy their version of "weird" :-D

The simple reality of Houston and sea level rise, is that whatever piece of land you think is so important that it must define the location of Houston will be abandoned and uninhabited long before SLR is a problem.

Houston is NOT a stuck in place spot on the map. Houston moves. And it moves faster than SLR. Much faster.

Oh, and where ever the San Jac, BufBayou and Trinity happen to hit the bay? You can rest assured oil will be processed, natural gas squished, cars unloaded, etc. Whether that's where they are today, or 10-40 miles further inland, makes no difference. That spot will be "Houston".

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It's obvious that you have a vested interest, but the whole point is nothing is going to be as it was and the physical world around us is about to change much faster then at anytime in human history. Don't feel alone most of the GOM states will have all but dissappeared before it's over.

Here you can see for yourself what's in store for Houston.
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 18:13:55

Lore wrote:Here you can see for yourself what's in store for Houston.
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/


No. That shows what is in store for the land located at (29°45.43', -95°20.80'); Houston will be at 29°58.69', -95°43.92' and 100+ ft above the level of the Sea at that time.

Nothing interesting will be at (29°45.43', -95°20.80') other than abandoned concrete structures.. And no Houstonian will give it a second thought... other than maybe wondering if the fishing will be any good there this weekend.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Lore » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 18:31:36

AgentR11 wrote:
Lore wrote:Here you can see for yourself what's in store for Houston.
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/


No. That shows what is in store for the land located at (29°45.43', -95°20.80'); Houston will be at 29°58.69', -95°43.92' and 100+ ft above the level of the Sea at that time.

Nothing interesting will be at (29°45.43', -95°20.80') other than abandoned concrete structures.. And no Houstonian will give it a second thought... other than maybe wondering if the fishing will be any good there this weekend.


At abut 30 meters most all of Houston dissappears beneath the waves. There won't be any high-rises sticking out either as those will get blown down after the first few major storms come through and pushes them off their rotting foundations.

There will be no attempt to rebuild infrastructure for the simple reason that there will be no money or reason to. This will be happening with every major port in the U.S. and around the globe. No help and no fishing either.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 19:02:40

Lore wrote:There will be no attempt to rebuild infrastructure for the simple reason that there will be no money or reason to. This will be happening with every major port in the U.S. and around the globe. No help and no fishing either.


Lore... there are Houston high rises being built at 150ft above Sea Level... RIGHT NOW. The spot you are so obsessed with calling "Houston" will be underwater, and no one will care that it was once called Houston. Cause HOUSTON won't be there anymore.

This isn't some future prediction, I drive by the cranes and the new structures often enough. The are real. They are NOW.

Houston is moving now.
It was moving 50 years ago.
And it will be moving 50 years from now.

There is NO natural or manmade barrier to our West or North. There is no disadvantage to building a high rise 50 miles West of the confluence of buffalo bayou and white oak bayou. There are Houston high rises being built.. RIGHT NOW that are 30-50 miles West and North of those locations.

As to no fishing, you're nuts. Houstonians were fishing here, on the coast before the industrial revolution; and even before they knew they were Houstonians, they were STILL fishing here on the coast. Even after the last vestiges of industrial civilization fail; humans, most likely calling themselves Houstonians will be fishing and crabbing in the mud, just as they have since humans first arrived here thousands of years ago.

Lore, this isn't something that will have to be done in the future; some new and unique thing, with special crazy funding.

It is being done... NOW.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 19:35:55

Officials watching 'high risk' dams after Houston storms

Two aging dams deemed "extremely high risk" by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers are at record pooling levels in Houston's west side after this week's torrential rainfall, but are working well and have undergone improvements in recent years, authorities said Wednesday.

The dams—at 50 percent capacity—are classified as high risk only because they're about two decades beyond their life expectancy and in a populated area, said agency spokeswoman Sandra Arnold.

However, a Corp report issued on the dams in 2012 offered more worrying criteria for the classification, noting that such structures are "critically near failure or at extremely high risk under normal operations."

In the unlikely event that the dams collapsed, downtown and the highly populated area in sprawling West Houston would likely see deaths as well as $60 billion in property damage, said Richard Long, a project operations managers with the Corp.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 19:47:37

These two dams are barker and addicks. They are not holding reservoirs; they were the initial flood control efforts really. Most of the time they are dry with only the bayou's flowing through and maybe some puddles left over. They are quite old though, and if I'm not mistaken may currently be at their record capacity. Which is a cause for concern. They are right though, a collapse of either would be beyond catastrophic. Very unlike though this time around. Not much wind, no heavy wave action eroding the face. Just water waiting to make its way down the bayou.

Don't confuse them with real reservoirs though; quite different. They usually look like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7654336 ... !1e3?hl=en
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Lore » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 20:13:32

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Lore wrote:There will be no attempt to rebuild infrastructure for the simple reason that there will be no money or reason to. This will be happening with every major port in the U.S. and around the globe. No help and no fishing either.


Lore... there are Houston high rises being built at 150ft above Sea Level... RIGHT NOW. The spot you are so obsessed with calling "Houston" will be underwater, and no one will care that it was once called Houston. Cause HOUSTON won't be there anymore.

This isn't some future prediction, I drive by the cranes and the new structures often enough. The are real. They are NOW.

Houston is moving now.
It was moving 50 years ago.
And it will be moving 50 years from now.

There is NO natural or manmade barrier to our West or North. There is no disadvantage to building a high rise 50 miles West of the confluence of buffalo bayou and white oak bayou. There are Houston high rises being built.. RIGHT NOW that are 30-50 miles West and North of those locations.

As to no fishing, you're nuts. Houstonians were fishing here, on the coast before the industrial revolution; and even before they knew they were Houstonians, they were STILL fishing here on the coast. Even after the last vestiges of industrial civilization fail; humans, most likely calling themselves Houstonians will be fishing and crabbing in the mud, just as they have since humans first arrived here thousands of years ago.

Lore, this isn't something that will have to be done in the future; some new and unique thing, with special crazy funding.

It is being done... NOW.
Just because it is that which we do.


So your reasoning is that Houston is just going to pick up bricks and move? On who's dime? Guess what, it's in the same place it was since 1837. You're confusing urban sprawl with the whole city moving. Once you carve out the coastal infrastructure there will be no reason for the sprawl either.

You are looking ahead like it will be the same as it was in the past. It will not! All those crabs and fish won't be there. So, neither will the fishermen. Your environment will have gone upside-down on you. No one will have the money to move a city. The government, what's left of it, will be trying to feed millions of refugees with ever shrinking resouces. Houston will just end up being a dead artifact of the 21st century like Miami, New Orleans and many other places. Believing otherwise is a fantasy at this juncture.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 21:49:09

My reasoning is that Houston never picks up bricks, it just moves and lays new bricks.

We leave the old. TO ROT.
Or knock them down and use them as crushed stone for more roads and highways.
Always have really.

I can't seem to get you to grasp that Houston is doing, and has been doing for decades; exactly what you say we can not do.

Its just what we do. Its an accident that it happens to adapt well to sea level rise.

There are about five people in Houston that care about old buildings. The rest of us see a building over fifty years old and wonder why it hasn't been knocked down yet. (we pretend we like old churches, but even the churches that look "old". ain't. )

As to fish... I disagree with you. I don't buy the methane-apocalypse complete die off as a likely event. Crabs are a lot like cockroaches; they aren't going anywhere; and there are plenty of fish here that will handle the range of climate changes suggested in the various IPCC reports, even the very bad ones. Now I know, you're desperate that red state folks suffer something horrible for denial; but seriously; look at the model outputs closely. This Western upper gulf coast slice gets off relatively easily compared to most; and there are REAL reasons for it. Not just wishful thinking, or doomful thinking. As to comparing Houston to two cities that are absolutely stuck in their current location; I find that hardly convincing. Miami is doomed because the sea is rising, the ground is sinking, and they have no where to go. Same with NO.

In two hundred years; if cities are even still a thing anywhere; Houston will be fine, and the midpoint of downtown will likely be a few miles South of "The Woodlands"; which is currently about 150 ft above sea level. The people there will still call themselves Houstonian; even if they remember the name "The Woodlands"; just as the folks that remember the name "Spring Branch" as a distinct place have no trouble calling themselves Houstonian.

The Woodlands by the way, some 50+ miles North of current downtown is one of those places where Houstonians are building high rises; as well as a very sparkly new high end medical / hospital center.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Lore » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 22:49:28

Well if it makes you happy to believe all that. :roll:

You should know though that in 200+ years when the icecaps melt off The Woodlands will be under water too.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 23:10:41

Lore wrote:Well if it makes you happy to believe all that. :roll:
You should know though that in 200+ years when the icecaps melt off The Woodlands will be under water too.


I tend to think thats more along the lines of 500 yrs or so. By which time, Houston will stretch along the arch of the San Jacinto Bay at what is now 240-260 ft msl.

As to "belief"; that has little to do with it. Its just what the mainstream models project, assuming business as usually plus a little extra growth.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby clif » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 02:41:54

Houston hasn't done ANYTHING except grown for the last 100 years;

Houston in 1920;

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historic ... x_1920.jpg

I'm guessing where Preston and Main cross is the center;

Here's Houston in 1958;

http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/his ... ighres.jpg

If you look all of the original map is near the center of what was Houston in 1958.

Here is the current map of Houston via google map;

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Houst ... def365053b

From what I can see, they have built to the gulf's edge so building the other way is all that is left.

Nothing as far as I can see, and from my remembrances of visiting Houston in 2006, nothing between the 1920 downtown and Galveston has been abandoned. Yes they might be building the other way, but that just might have more to do with dry land vs very wet and hard to build on open water areas.

Moving out from where it exists is going to cost somebody quite a bit if all that exists between 1920 Houston and the Gulf is abandoned. Actually lots and lots of somebody's.

Just like Florida, when the move away from the encroaching sea begins somebody will be left losing lots of money from now worthless land and infrastructure.

Saying they will abandon is belied by what people in Galveston have done so far.


And the areas around Houston currently seeing nuisance flooding right now, are the oil refineries;

Go here and zoom, not just for Houston BTW;

https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/

Also click on the Flood frequency and vulnerability tabs;

Quite interesting, especially when I looked at Norfolk Va with this.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby snoopdog » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 03:06:12

AgentR11 wrote:My reasoning is that Houston never picks up bricks, it just moves and lays new bricks.

We leave the old. TO ROT.
Or knock them down and use them as crushed stone for more roads and highways.
Always have really.

I can't seem to get you to grasp that Houston is doing, and has been doing for decades; exactly what you say we can not do.

Its just what we do. Its an accident that it happens to adapt well to sea level rise.

There are about five people in Houston that care about old buildings. The rest of us see a building over fifty years old and wonder why it hasn't been knocked down yet. (we pretend we like old churches, but even the churches that look "old". ain't. )

As to fish... I disagree with you. I don't buy the methane-apocalypse complete die off as a likely event. Crabs are a lot like cockroaches; they aren't going anywhere; and there are plenty of fish here that will handle the range of climate changes suggested in the various IPCC reports, even the very bad ones. Now I know, you're desperate that red state folks suffer something horrible for denial; but seriously; look at the model outputs closely. This Western upper gulf coast slice gets off relatively easily compared to most; and there are REAL reasons for it. Not just wishful thinking, or doomful thinking. As to comparing Houston to two cities that are absolutely stuck in their current location; I find that hardly convincing. Miami is doomed because the sea is rising, the ground is sinking, and they have no where to go. Same with NO.

In two hundred years; if cities are even still a thing anywhere; Houston will be fine, and the midpoint of downtown will likely be a few miles South of "The Woodlands"; which is currently about 150 ft above sea level. The people there will still call themselves Houstonian; even if they remember the name "The Woodlands"; just as the folks that remember the name "Spring Branch" as a distinct place have no trouble calling themselves Houstonian.

The Woodlands by the way, some 50+ miles North of current downtown is one of those places where Houstonians are building high rises; as well as a very sparkly new high end medical / hospital center.


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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 08:49:16

clif wrote:Houston hasn't done ANYTHING except grown for the last 100 years;


WATCH THE DIRECTION OF GROWTH! IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. NORTH AND WEST OF IH 610 (inner loop)
I'll end my contribution on this line at this point; yall just refuse to see as it doesn't fit your narrative. When stuff goes underwater by regular inundation no one moves it, no one rescues it, no one protects it. They LEAVE it. (eg.. Brownwood recent example).

Houston residents have been buying homes in a North and Westerly direction for as long as I've been alive. When they move out that direction, they then build offices, warehouse parks, and other commercial facilities out where they moved... and then they move again.

But sure, if yall want to think "Houston" ceases to exist when UH Downtown goes underwater; be my guest. Posting one grid map of the current core, and one road map of Pasadena/Clear Lake will not change the fact that most Houstonians have already moved North and West of IH610. (not even ON your displayed map) They may or may not be within the incorporated boundary of the City of Houston; but they most certainly are in its zone of legal control, and they most certainly are "Houstonian"'; and they certainly will end up annexed to Houston whether they like it or not; though carefully, as the city has a very delicate political balance it maintains via annexation of new voters...just the right mix of new voters of course.

Nothing as far as I can see, and from my remembrances of visiting Houston in 2006, nothing between the 1920 downtown and Galveston has been abandoned. Yes they might be building the other way, but that just might have more to do with dry land vs very wet and hard to build on open water areas.


How many hours/days did you spend ON the waters of the Ship Channel? eh? There's a ton of stuff thats been abandoned and it rots out pretty quick as ocean water works it, but does leave tell tales.

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I did caveat my point by the phrase, "as long as cities are a thing..". Yes it will all eventually end. My point is about between NOW and when it does all end. In the end, we're an apex predator. For the most part, apex predators don't hang around all that long evolutionarily speaking. We're just another flash in the pan for Gaia, we'll be gone in the blink of an eye, carbon cycle will be reset, and Gaia will be through with us nasty primates for another few hundred million years. Maybe next time all the coal needs to be dug back up and burned the Earth will get giant Insect Machinists or something.

In the end; I am very pleased to live in South East Texas near Houston; I am quite pleased with what the climate models yield for the region over the next couple hundred years, including even worst modeled case Sea Level Rise. The outlier proposed theories that would be an honest killer of Houston, will kill everything else as well, without exception, so I just don't get this hate many have for our nifty town. If Houston is not your cup of tea, Door. Leave. KTHXBYE.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 09:00:57

It really tickles me to see all this attention paid to Houston after I've already explained that most of NYC will be under 10'+ of water before the edge of the Gulf of Mexico gets even close to Houston's southern border. There are hundreds on communities and many tens of millions of folks in the US who would be displaced by higher sea levels long before it becomes even much of a concern to Houston.

As far as the Texas shoreline shifting that's been going on for hundreds of millions of years. IOW the coastal areas have been sinking into the GOM since before the age of the dinosaurs. I wonder how many folks understand the concept of the GOM "geosyncline"? The rocks that sit buried 5 MILES beneath the Texas shore were deposited in less than 10' of water. Yes: relative to the coast sea level has risen over 30,000'. Of course that's because the coast has sunk 30,000'+ but same difference. It might also help to look at a map of Texas over geologic time: at one point the Texas shore line was 200 miles NORTH of Houston.

But stay focused on Houston. After all what happens in NYC in the next 50 years or so is of no importance to anyone in Texas. LOL.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Lore » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 11:32:31

ROCKMAN wrote:It really tickles me to see all this attention paid to Houston after I've already explained that most of NYC will be under 10'+ of water before the edge of the Gulf of Mexico gets even close to Houston's southern border. There are hundreds on communities and many tens of millions of folks in the US who would be displaced by higher sea levels long before it becomes even much of a concern to Houston.


Doesn't work that way Rock. The first sign of a real estate panic will send everyone with the means to abandon coastal regions that will eventually become affected by rising seas. The dislocation of massive amounts of people and the related costs means that there will be less ability to help people in places like Houston with people that just sit there waiting for their turn. The smart money will take a hint and go. Which means nothing new will be built and a crumbling infrastructure left behind with a lack of tax funds to support it.

ROCKMAN wrote:As far as the Texas shoreline shifting that's been going on for hundreds of millions of years. IOW the coastal areas have been sinking into the GOM since before the age of the dinosaurs. I wonder how many folks understand the concept of the GOM "geosyncline"? The rocks that sit buried 5 MILES beneath the Texas shore were deposited in less than 10' of water. Yes: relative to the coast sea level has risen over 30,000'. Of course that's because the coast has sunk 30,000'+ but same difference. It might also help to look at a map of Texas over geologic time: at one point the Texas shore line was 200 miles NORTH of Houston.


That was then, this is now. History can only give us clues, but can't tell us an outcome when all the inputs have changed. It really makes little difference what happened in the past relative to what is going on today. Flatly we are seeing a rapid rise in temperatures that result in an equally rapid increase in sea levels. None of which has ever been experienced in human history.

ROCKMAN wrote:But stay focused on Houston. After all what happens in NYC in the next 50 years or so is of no importance to anyone in Texas. LOL.


Being complacent is no solution. Would you rather be on the tail end of getting out, or one of the first? I wouldn't expect much help to come after the panic hits places like Miami and New York. So in a sense you're right, Houston will not be under much consideration in the end.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 13:24:38

Ummmmm, we're talking about Houston here because, if you hadn't noticed, ROCK, 'Houston' is in the freakin' title of the thread.

If you want to start a NYC & slr thread, please do be my guest.

Agent said something about Houston 150 ft above sea level, but ac. to wiki, the average elevation of the city is 43 ft above sea level, which presumably means about half of the city is lower than 43ft (and if some parts are, as you say, 150 ft asl, then that means either that there are sections essentially at sea level or that a very large part of the city is below 43 ft.)

Am I missing something here?

The thing is that Houston is more likely to get hit by super-canes than NYC is, even in this whacked out climate we're creating.

It sounds as though Agent is able to admit that a major disaster is possible in Houston if those damns ever both gave out when they had lots of water behind them after a major downpour.

And again, yes, there are plenty of places in the world that have worse situations wrt slr. Please be my guest to start a thread on any or all of them. But I would ask people here to stay on topic, since that's apparently part of my responsibility as its originator ac. to the CoC.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 14:01:58

I lived in Houston for a few years - like most people who have ever seen a "Christmas Tree" probably have.
I just hope the Grand Prize BBQ place in Texas City doesn't go away. They had the best BBQ brisket sandwiches I ever tasted. Made on jalapeno cheese bread. Ok, nuff of that.
I tend to agree with the "moving Houston" theory more than the dying Houston theory. Simply because people tend to remain close to their familiar surroundings and friends, after a disaster.
If it floods their home, they generally move to higher ground nearby, rather than move to Denver.
In Houston, that is north and west. I know that if we have a total collapse, the resources will be scarce to enable that, but if it is a slow, staggered collapse, that is what I expect to see.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 15:46:15

Hawk - these folks still refuse to look at a map. LOL. There is no massive population living along the Texas coast. Long before anyone in Houston would even begin to think about moving tens of millions of other Americans will be forced to relocate by a higher sea level. The vast majority of coastal Texas is rather worthless scrub land. At best most of it is rather mediocre grazing land. The main agriculture trends are further inland.

And thee are no f*cking "dams" in Houston. LOL. The fact that folks are taking about damn dam failures is the funniest thing of all. The area being discussed in a swampland with a 10' ring dyke crossing one end of it. The dyke only restricts the flow though the established creek/bayou system. As the water drains out the level in the "reservoir" drops...from 8' to 9' to 1' to 2'.

And of course the transition will be gradual...just as it has been for decades. Again do some research: the Texas coastline has been slipping into the GOM from long before the fossil fuel age. The coast highway from near Houston towards the La state line was closed decades ago when much of the small amount of remaining land was washed away by a series of hurricanes. Again look at a f*cking" map and see the OFFSHORE coastal barrier islands that were once the Texas coastline a few thousand years ago. Coastal barrier islands that are currently sliding very slowly into the GOM as they have been for tens of thousands of years. But the Texas situation is rather mild compared to the Rockman's home town of Nawlins. It's been sinking below sea level for millions of years and continues doing so today. Again I refer folks to study "geosynclines": noun, Geology: a portion of the earth's crust subjected to downward warping during a large span of geologic time. Perhaps folks should get off their political talking points and focus a bit more on geography if they wish to have an adult conversation. LOL.

And I mention NYC because the thread evolved from raining in Houston to talking about disruptions due to sea level rising. Please try to stay up with the conversation. LOL.
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Re: Houston, We Have A Problem--Floods Shut It Down

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 16:06:53

Apparently, ROCK needs to contact the Army Corps of Engineers so they won't worry anymore about the 'f**king' dams that apparently don't actually exist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

They will also be glad to know that 'the transition will be gradual' so no one has to worry about any sudden extreme events ever happening anywhere in the region. How very comforted they will be to get these assurances! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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