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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 01:25:52

dohboi wrote:Yup:

"120-125 for Death Valley"

http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwat ... ef&wwa=all

Up to 120 in many parts of AZ, too!


Link CNN (Mainstream Blackkout)

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/we ... index.html
Phoenix, Las Vegas and Death Valley in California could break all-time record high temperatures. Cities including Los Angeles, Reno and San Diego are not in record territory, but are all expected to be well above average and will certainly feel unusually hot.

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 20:09:24

Yeah, the SW is really cooking. Getting a good bit of MSM news now...of course no discussion of GW, though, that I've seen.

The heat could also affect some flights in the area, for various reasons.
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 03:40:31

USA Dangerous heat wave to reach historic levels
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A strong ridge of high pressure will set up directly over Arizona in the coming days bringing a historic heat wave, not only in intensity but length as well.

Daytime highs have once again topped 105 degrees on Saturday for the third straight afternoon but the recent heat is nothing like southern Arizona will experience in the coming days. By Sunday afternoon temperatures will already be approaching 110 degrees for the first time this year.

This historic heat wave will peak between Monday and Wednesday as daytime highs approach 115 degrees for three straight afternoons. These forecast highs will likely break the records the corresponding dates. Temperatures are expected be 110 degrees or greater through Friday, making for at least 5 straight days of 110+, the second longest stretch in history for Tucson. The longest stretch of consecutive 110s was 6 days in June of 1994.

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 07:56:03

Here's some of what I was talking about above wrt heat and air travel:

http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2016- ... -heres-why

Yes, it's from last year, but it should apply equally as well to this year's heatwave. Ironically, the heat just broke here, and we're down to highs in the 70's mostly this week.


It's So Hot Some Planes Can't Fly—Here's Why

...It's actually extreme heat that causes the most challenges: not so much to a plane's mechanical abilities to fly as to its impact on the air around the plane. Heat creates thinner air, which means it doesn't have enough density to give the plane enough lift to take off or land. The heat also limits the plane's ability to climb properly, and the heavier the aircraft—the more people and luggage on it—the more impaired it becomes.

Essentially, the higher the air temperature, the thinner the air, and the more challenging for a pilot to safety get the plane on or off the ground. Anything higher than 104 degrees can be a cause for concern. Smaller regional planes are certified to handle more than that, up to 118 degrees, but with temperatures expected to climb, we may see more airlines canceling or rerouting flights...


And more on the general situation: https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/all-t ... uthwest-us

Anyone in AZ, NV or southern inland CA, please stay safe, and heed the advice: Don't leave kids or pets in cars!
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 11:36:26

Only one day of real heat US Guys are going crazy

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opi ... story.html

In all seriousness, frustration could be warranted. Weather forecasters said some parts of San Diego County could break temperature records over the course of the five days, especially on Sunday and Monday when desert and mountain areas could experience temperatures in the 118- to 120-degree range.
It's only day one of San Diego's heat wave and people are already complaining

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 19 Jun 2017, 08:48:51

FREAK WEATHER OVER USA


http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireSto ... s-48126519

The southwestern U.S. is about to feel the wrath of a punishing heat wave that includes a forecast of 120 degrees (48.8 Celsius) in Phoenix — a temperature not seen in the desert city in more than 20 years.

The broiling temperatures will also be felt in Las Vegas and Southern California, creating a public health hazard. Rising temps are being closely watched by everyone from airline pilots and emergency room doctors to power grid managers and mountain cities unaccustomed to heat waves.

Even cities accustomed to dealing with 110-degree (43-Celsius) days are grappling with the new problems that arise from 120 degrees (48.8 Celsius).
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 19 Jun 2017, 13:47:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCOtwGXXwjs

THE HEATWAVE IN THE USA

Or should i say "DOWNFALL"

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 19 Jun 2017, 14:11:26

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-hot-hand ... 20127.html

Last year 22 countries or territories set or tied records for their hottest temperatures on record, said Masters, who wasn't part of the study. So far this year, seven have done so.

"This is already bad. We already know it," Mora said. "The empirical data suggest it's getting much worse."
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 19 Jun 2017, 14:48:10

Rick Perry, Trump's Sec. of Energy, sitting in his nice air-conditioned office in DC, just said that CO2 emissions aren't causing climate change.

Jeez.....if it isn't CO2 that is heating up the planet then what is it?

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 01:48:53

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 07:02:43

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/20/us/we ... index.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3839431/h ... ys-ruined/


TOO HOT TO FLY!
Heatwave shock as 48C weather sees US flights grounded and Las Vegas visitors have their dream holidays RUINED



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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 08:26:54

Thanks MBS.

As I predicted, flights are being canceled because the very physics of flight break down at this high of temperatures--hot air is thinner, and does not have the density necessary to 'support' planes, especially those with more limited wingspan and thrust. (That's my feeble understanding of it, anyway. Those with more knowledge on the subject please pitch in.)

From your link above: "American Airlines spokesman Ross Feinstein said the smaller regional jets flown by its partners can’t operate once the temperature hits 118."
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 12:18:07

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Californians urged to reduce power consumption as heat wave triggers the first statewide flex alert of 2017
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
With excessive heat forecast throughout the state Tuesday, operators of California’s electrical grid issued their first flex alert of the year and urged energy consumers to scale back power consumption over the next two days or risk outages.

Customers should turn off unnecessary lights and major appliances between 2 and 9 p.m. Tuesday and Wednesday, when energy usage is expected to peak at 47,000 megawatts, the California Independent System Operator said.


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Scorching heat grounded planes in parts of the U.S. on Monday, the same day researchers released a study that finds the globe is only getting hotter and, as a result, potentially deadlier.

Currently, nearly a third of the world's population is exposed to lethal climate conditions for at least 20 days a year, according to findings published Monday in Nature Climate Change, a monthly peer-reviewed journal. As the planet's temperature rises, more of the world's population will be exposed to conditions that trigger deadly heat waves, the report said.

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Now The Roads Are MELTING: Britain Swelters in 91.5F Heat in The Longest Heatwave for 20 YEARS
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Amber alert marks longest heatwave in June
A consecutive run of temperatures over 30C has prompted warnings from the NHS as Brits battle the continuing heat.

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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:43:48

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Cookies and Bacon Solar Cooking in Sacramento, CA: Outside = 109 °F inside 200+ °F
National Weather Service: https://twitter.com/NWSSacramento/statu ... 1079014400

Phoenix is 15 °F hotter
Death valley is 20 °F hotter

The National Weather Service also warned against walking pets outdoors, saying that at pavement temperatures above 162 degrees (consistent with air temperatures of 102), skin is instantly destroyed.
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Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
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UK weather: Fifth day above 30C predicted, matching 1995

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:30:02

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40340360
In the week the sunshine never ends, the UK is close to matching a sizzling June run not seen in two decades.

If Wednesday's temperature tops 30C - and forecasters confidently predict it will - that will be five days in a row.

The last June that we sweltered for so long was 1995, when the heat affected us so much Robson and Jerome stayed at number one for the entire month.

And if Wednesday reaches 33.9C, it will be the warmest day in any June since 1976 - the classic long hot summer.

BBC Weather says it is "very likely" that these temperatures will be reached this week.

Twenty two years ago the UK had a hotter June!

I still remember June of 1975 when it snowed!
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:31:31

Your point?
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:33:23

dohboi wrote:Your point?

My point, 22 years ago we had similar temperatures.
23 years ago it was 30Degrees lower and snowed.

Weather is weather what ever.
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:42:27

Soooo, we know that because of record keeping. The same kinds of records show that GLOBALLY (it's called global warming, not local warming), every decade has gotten hotter for the last fifty years.

Yes, local weather is a chaotic and static-y thing. The long-term global temp record, though, is quite clear. And yes, the latter ultimately has some effect on the former, and more and more so going forward. Any further questions?

But getting back to the topic of the thread:

THE SCIENCE BEHIND ARIZONA'S RECORD-SETTING HEAT WAVE


Planes are grounded, tap water comes out hot, and we’d all better get used to it.

In the Arizona desert, as far back as weather records go, it's never been this hot for this long.

By early Monday afternoon, the temperature was 111 degrees in Tucson, the first in a forecasted series of a record-setting seven consecutive days with highs above 110, the longest streak in city history. (The previous record, should it fall, was six days in a row in 1994.)

In Phoenix, just to the north, temperatures were even hotter. Meteorologists there are expecting temperatures to run as high as 120 degrees on Tuesday and Wednesday, at the apex of the heat wave. The National Weather Service is calling the heat wave "extreme even by desert standards."

What's an extreme heat wave like in a place that's accustomed to extreme heat? Here's a snapshot of Monday:

• A Phoenix television station broadcast a live webcam of a 600-pound block of ice.
• In Sacramento, California, a team of meteorologists successfully baked cookies and fried bacon inside a car, with temperatures inside the car reaching nearly 200 degrees.
• The United States Border Patrol stepped up safety messages, saying "it is physically impossible for the average person to carry enough water to survive."
• The National Weather Service also warned against walking pets outdoors, saying that at pavement temperatures above 162 degrees (consistent with air temperatures of 102), skin is instantly destroyed.
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The atmospheric culprit for the heat is a very intense high pressure, which is itself setting records. Though the statistical databases show this high of high pressure to be an approximately one-in-200-year event, these events have been occurring more often lately—with the last one happening just last year. In short, the background signal of global warming makes the entire atmosphere thinner and less dense, supporting stronger high-pressure centers like the one camped out over Arizona this week, which then tend to get stuck in place—cranking up the thermostat over a multi-state region.
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https://psmag.com/environment/terrifyin ... in-arizona

And:

Phoenix flights cancelled because it's too hot for planes

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40339730

As temperatures climb in Phoenix, Arizona, more than 40 flights have been cancelled - because it is too hot for the planes to fly.
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:55:02

Heat waves are local weather.
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Re: Heat Waves 2017

Unread postby dbruning » Tue 20 Jun 2017, 17:02:55

Dolanbaker, good points that exceptional temperatures have happened in the past.

However, these records are being broken consistently, and ever more frequently it seems.

The trend is what I personally worry about.

You don't see a pattern of increasing heat as an average?
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