dissident wrote:The imperial meddler USA needs to keep its paws off Ukraine. It was doing not so bad until the coup. It was far from perfect but now it is totally f*cked.
It's not fair to call it a coup.
Look I have watched this thing from DAY ONE. I remember the early days of it. What was always remarkable is actually how little violence there was. Those crowds in Crimea would just push against each other, big crowds for and against Russia, but it never did break out into fights and riots and bad violence.
There have been some incidents but really, up until it finally got heated into full war now, I was always struck by how non violent it was.
Ukrainians are pretty good people.
They were horrified by the violence coming from Yanu's government.
There was no "coup." A coup is when some general or colonel in the military takes the side of the opposition and forcefully deposes the president, with arms. That's a coup. That never happened in Ukraine!
Yanu lost all support. The people, the military, the parliament, his own party. There were calls for him to resign, yes. But nobody EVER stormed the Disneyland Dacha. Ukrainians didn't even know how grand it was until AFTER he was gone, then they started wandering up there to take a look.
Yanu just left one day in a helicopter to Russia, on his own. There was no armed coup.
As for imperialist USA, I'm over the top but I'm just a guy on a forum same as you are.
If you look at the people in charge -- the Pentagon, Obama admin, they are actually very careful with everything they say. The Pentagon especially. Always very careful with words, never inflaming.
For example, the WH and Pentagon aren't making any big deal about Russian bomber patrols in the gulf of Mexico.
Their position is that Russia has the right to do this, but, they also very nicely say that they hope Russia uses all appropriate safety precautions.
Make no mistake though -- there can't be any problems going on with our airliners, like a Delta flight to Cozumel, just because our Pentagon are the adults in the room and not irresponsible big mouths doesn't mean there won't be hell to pay if something happens to one of our airliners.
And I'm sure you feel the same, I'm sure you wouldn't like it either if US air force were flying all along Russia's borders -- and sometimes crossing into Russia -- and then it gets so bad that there are near middair collisions, and God forbid that actually happens.
Wouldn't that be horrible? Wouldn't you be so mad about that? So can you understand how others feel, then?
I'd like to stop it with the rhetoric, but I just want to note:
* USA doesn't cyberattack Russia
* USA doesn't do all these air force flights on borders and cross borders, like Russia has been doing
* There are no announced USAF bomber patrols over Murmansk.
So let's just not forget that, this brewing cold war is all one sided so far. Nobody's been looking for a fight over here. Obama and Congress had decided to make big cuts to the military. Europe already did, all through the austerity. At the same time it was Russia that was doing an historic military buildup.