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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby careinke » Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:44:38

regardingpo wrote:Hey Simon, I don't know about your specific situation, I am talking about biomass companies who are cutting down existing forests and promising to plant new trees afterwards. The old trees were already there before they came.

Compare these two scenarios:

Scenario 1: No biomass burning
1. Old tree lives and takes in carbon during its lifetime (negative emissions)

Scenario 2: With biomass burning
1. You cut down the old tree and burn it and put carbon into the atmosphere (positive emissions)
2. You plant a new tree
3. New tree lives and takes in carbon during its lifetime (negative emissions)

As you can see, the difference is that in scenario 2 you created positive emissions. Negative emissions are there in both scenarios, so the fact that you have negative emissions in scenario 2 doesn't count as a benefit.


Throw making biochar in, and using it to build your soil, with coppicing trees, and you are carbon negative.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Ulenspiegel » Sun 06 Nov 2016, 13:06:45

M_B_S wrote:https://www.agora-energiewende.de/fileadmin/downloads/publikationen/Analysen/Trends_im_deutschen_Stromsektor/Analysis_Energiewende_Paradox_web_EN.pdf

The German
Energiewende and
its Climate Paradox

An Analysis of Power Sector Trends for Renewables,
Coal, Gas, Nuclear Power and CO2
Emissions, 2010–2030

Since 2009 our Co2 Emissions are going up not down.Fig.8

These developments describe an Energiewende paradox:
Despite Germany’s increasing share of renewable energy
sources, its greenhouse gas emissions are rising.


q.e.d.

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If you want to make propaganda, then at least try to make intelligent propaganda. :-)

2009 was a year with almost 5% drop in GDP and energy consumption, to take this year as 100% is let's say not so clever, take a 10 year average and you get something quite different.

Electric generation produces less CO2, esp. when corrected for exports. Or better by discussing the issue in a European framework.

And the situation becomes a little bit clearer if temperature corrected data are used for primary energy. :-)

All this is explained in detail in the reports of the Working Group Energy Balances (Arbeitsgruppe Energiebilanzen AGEB), no need to publish crappy conclusions, which BTW are not supported by your source. :-)
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 06 Nov 2016, 13:43:25

Thanks, Ulenspiegel (I still love that handle!) for showing up and throwing some light on these issues. I was hoping you would!
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 07 Nov 2016, 06:25:34

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26372

Germany’s renewables electricity generation grows in 2015, but coal still dominant

All this dirty CO2 shit is still running in Germany even the XXL SUVs on our streets.

This is the big dirty secret under Merkels "Great Coalition" policy.

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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Jupidu » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 09:11:59

dohboi wrote:My understanding is that wind generation in the north of the country is quite robust, but that it is hard to get all that power down to the southern cities because of lack of grid infrastructure, which should have been developed long ago, but is way behind schedule for various reasons. Is that your understanding, too?


Yes that was my understanding till about Summer of 2015 too till i heard a speech of a german professor for economics, Lorenz Jarass:

„Welchen Stromnetzausbau erfordert die Energiewende?“ - Vortrag von Prof. Dr. Lorenz Jarass (48min)
(Wich amount of grid extension is needed for the Energiewende? Speech of Prof. Dr. Lorenz Jarass)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osh-TbC89VQ

He says that this, in the moment, planned grid extension in Germany is far too big, far bigger than needed.
1. The problems in some winters didn't happen because of a lack of electricity infrastructure but because of a lack of trade barriers at the EEX. In Winter 2012/13 brokers in Frankfurt sold a lot of wind energy to Italy at the EEX (European Energy Exchange operated by European Energy Exchange AG) which couldn't be produced as forecasted. So these brokers had to balance their short sellings at high prices. There were enough operable backup power plants in Germany but their operating costs are higher than for example backup power plants in Austria so power plants in Austria were started to fill the gap. Afterwards it was broadcasted that we at least in Germany were near a catastrophe/blackout because of the Energiewende.
2. The future grid extension in Germany is planned on the basis of transporting at the same time the power of coal fired power plants in East Germany as well as in the region of Cologne at full load together with wind energy produced while a stormfront is passing by.
3. It is possible and since decades a standard that e.g. anthracite coal fired plants are driven up or curbed along a daily load curve. So it is also in the future possible to curb certain power plants to allow wind turbine or even wind farms to feed in their produced electricity. That would be a lot cheaper than to build long massive power lines (a lot of regulatory work during several years to get everyone pleased).
4. The laws renewed and created for the Energiewende are supporting the fossil fuel industry as well(!) as the renewable energy industry at the disadvantage of the consumer (higher tariffs).
5. Nevertheless we need about 3-4 GW of flexible power plants (in combination with more power plants driven by renewable energy) in the South of Germany to replace nuclear plants which will all be shut down till 2022.

Once source in english with some statements of Professor Jarass:

SOI Discussion Paper 2012-02
Adaptive Capacities, Path Creation and Variants of Sectoral Change
The Case of the Transformation of the German Energy Supply System
...
Jarass (2010) criticizes the oversized grid extension proposed in these studies. He expects that a large share of the planned extension is to be used to secure the profit ability of new coal power plants Jarass/Obermair 2009). According to Hohmeyer et al. (2011) , there is no need for any grid extension prior to 2015.
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Jarass, Lorenz (2010): Windenergiebedingter Netzausbau – nicht zu viel und nicht zu wenig! In: Energiewirtschaftliche Tagesfragen, 60(10), p. 22 – 27.
Jarass, Lorenz/Obermair, Gustav M., 2009: Mehr Übertragungsleistung in Höchstspannungsnetzen. Optimierung geht vor Verstärkung und Neubau – Dena - Netzstudie I ist überholt. In: Energy 2.0, 2009(Februar), p. 53 – 55.

http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/soz/oi/publ ... cities.pdf


My own opinion:
We could harvest a lot of that excess wind energy and produce heat out of that. That's power-to-heat and was at least in Germany used also since decades (night-storage heater powered by chep nuclear energy in the night, managed by so-called ripple controls).
At least in big buildings this would be a quite easy, cheap, scalable and fast to install technique:

Power to heat gets going in Germany
23.06.2015
The city of Münster plans to use excess electricity on the grid to generate heat, which can be easily stored.
The local municipal utility is investing 1.7 million euros in a hot water storage tank that will be charged with electric heaters reacting to price signals on the power market. Symbolically, the heat storage facility is located in an old coal bunker in the town’s port.

http://www.renewablesinternational.net/ ... 537/88373/

Examples in Denmark:

25-09-2015
The role of power to heat – Heat pumps, electrical heat boilers and heat storage
Lessons from Denmark

https://www.agora-energiewende.de/filea ... 092015.pdf

The opposite (Power to cool) is used since several years in different utilities in Europe:

Project acronym: Night Wind
Night Wind: Storage of wind energy in cold stores
First Period (1st july 2006 – 30th june 2007), Date of preparation: Feb. 12th, 2009
Final Activity Report – Night Wind - summary

http://cordis.europa.eu/documents/docum ... 181EN6.pdf
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 09:16:49

Thanks, J.

Things are always more complicated than they seem.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 03 Dec 2016, 06:31:13

http://hambachforest.blogsport.de

TWO MORE PEOPLE IN PRISON
1. Dezember 2016 in Generally, Repressions, Actions und Solidarity 0 Kommentare
from https://abcrhineland.blackblogs.org

Since December 1st there are two more activists from Hambach Forest in custody jail.

According to the police, both have been at a treehouse close to the entrance of the forest, when firework was set off towards police officers. Noone got hurt. They are accused of causing an explosion. They are now in the cologne women’s prison.

Both are spanish and english speaking.
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Under the forest millions of tons dirty coal are allowed to burn by Merkels "Great Coalition" meanwhile the the forest is cut off dispite heavy international resistance.

But who cares the planet goes and so we all......

CO2 > 410ppm in 2017

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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 13 Jan 2017, 15:48:27

Lots of very impressive graphs at link below quote demonstrating just how stupid it was for Germany to adopt the anti-nuclear path. Electricity in Germany is now twice as expensive and three times as dirty in Germany as it is in France where Nuclear Fission provides nearly all baseload capacity and allows the country to export cheap electricity to all of its neighbors that have turned away from fission.

German emissions increased in 2016 for a second year in a row as a result of the country closing one of its nuclear plants and replacing it with coal and natural gas, a new Environmental Progress analysis finds.

German emissions would have declined had it not closed a nuclear plant and replaced it with coal and natural gas.

Not only did new solar and wind not make up for the lost nuclear, the percentage of time during 2016 that solar and wind produced electricity declined dramatically.

Germany added a whopping 10 percent more wind turbine capacity and 2.5 percent more solar panel capacity between 2015 and 2016, but generated less than one percent more electricity from wind and generated one percent less electricity from solar.

The reason is because Germany had significantly less sunshine and wind in 2016 than 2015.

As such, 2016 is a dramatic illustration of the limits of energy sources that depend on the weather. Their output varies dramatically not just hour-to-hour but also year-to-year.

Anti-nuclear advocates have long insisted that this radical intermittency can be solved through more transmission and storage. But there's a problem: neither more transmission lines nor more storage would have made Germany any sunnier, or windier, in 2016.

The analysis is based on two sets of data and analysis by three German sources, two of which are think tanks that promote Germany's transition away from nuclear and toward fossil fuels and renewables. The data are preliminary and subject to change, but there is significant alignment between the different estimates. The Franhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems, January 6, 2017, derives its numbers from the German Statistical Office Data through Oct 2016, and Agora Energiewende, 2017 from AG Energiebilanzen, Dec. 2016. The two estimates are mostly aligned on all generation estimates with the exception of small differences in wind and solar and large differences in natural gas generation estimates.


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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby kiwichick » Fri 13 Jan 2017, 23:33:52

Nuclear is not the answer .....better connectivity with other countries like Norway and Iceland ...Hydro and geothermal ....and Spain / Portugal / Italy / Greece / Morrocco/ Tunisia .....Solar ....is a far better option

France's nuclear fleet is aging and at risk from rising temperatures ...... if cooling water is not cold enough the plants can't operate.....and solar/batteries are constantly improving output and reducing cost

the risk of failure of nuclear plants , combined with the decommissioning cost makes nuclear a non starter in MHO
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 01:44:48

@kiwichick
E²=(pC)²+(mC²)²

We need both parts of E² :idea: Einstein knew it.

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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 02:26:02

@ mbs.....in English ??

sorry maths isn't my strong suit!!!
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 02:32:40

kiwichick wrote:@ mbs.....in English ??

sorry maths isn't my strong suit!!!


Sure
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/e ... ls.394831/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkiCPMjpysc
The rest follows... :idea: 8) :!:

Because it is true C²=A²+B²

https://services.math.duke.edu/~bray/Pr ... cture1.pdf

x²= a²+ b²+c²+e²........ has allways a infinite solution in natural numbers
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 05:27:37

kiwichick wrote:Nuclear is not the answer .....better connectivity with other countries like Norway and Iceland ...Hydro and geothermal ....and Spain / Portugal / Italy / Greece / Morrocco/ Tunisia .....Solar ....is a far better option

France's nuclear fleet is aging and at risk from rising temperatures ...... if cooling water is not cold enough the plants can't operate.....and solar/batteries are constantly improving output and reducing cost

the risk of failure of nuclear plants , combined with the decommissioning cost makes nuclear a non starter in MHO



Lots of peoples OPINION about nuclear comes from the science denier left. You really should educate yourself on the real facts before forming such opinions.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 11:18:31

@ T .....I'd suggest there are a significant number of people in Japan , for example , you are not keen on nuclear .....and we are yet to see what the fallout from Fukushima ends up costing....

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/fuk ... fic-ocean/
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Cog » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 11:25:22

Anti-nuc folks are very predictable.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:00:08

kiwichick wrote:@ T .....I'd suggest there are a significant number of people in Japan , for example , you are not keen on nuclear .....and we are yet to see what the fallout from Fukushima ends up costing....

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/fuk ... fic-ocean/


Yes and so what? You prefer we return to pre-industrial levels of energy use? We can do that, but world population will have to be reduced by 75 percent first and 95 percent of us will be working as stoop farm labor to allow the 4 percent of craftsmen to provide the 1 percent 'leadership' with whatever luxuries they can.

Outside of Hydropower none of the renewable's are capable of replacing fossil fuels. Solar works in the day in the best locations but not at night no matter where you are. Wind requires a heck of a lot more maintenance than advocates normally admit. Wave and tidal power also require a lot of upkeep just like wind with the added cost of corrosion resistance and the problem of rising sea levels.

It is time to set aside the utopian view of solartopia we have been force fed since the mid 1970's by anti-nuclear activists. In the real world the arguments do not hold up. Solar has been getting large subsidies from governments all over for over 40 years, but the battery problem has not been solved and the world population now is nearly double what it was in 1975.

Nuclear power works. Nuclear power is the most regulated energy source in the history of energy sources, and despite all the bureaucratic mangling and expense it still works. The CO2 emission of nuclear are minuscule compared to fossil fuels and smaller than several of the renewable options so frequently touted as 'solutions'.

Letting the public be fooled by hype artists in the media who made inexcusable claims about its dangers is a failing of government. By excluding nuclear power from the zero emission power supply lists the Obama Administration has caused several working power plants to be shut down because the owners were able to cash in on natural gas subsidies. The purpose of the natural gas subsidy was to get power producers to switch away from coal, which has the highest CO2 emissions. Unfortunately the way the law was written and enacted the profits from switching from Nuclear which received no zero emission credits, to Natural Gas, which emits half the CO2 of Coal, have encouraged several power plants to be shuttered, including Vermont Yankee, that had decades more useful service life with no risk and no CO2 emissions.

I am pro nuclear because I am an environmentalist, and I am sick to death of all the lies and distortions used by so called environmental organizations to push their white elitist utopian agenda despite the fact that science proves it will not work without killing off BILLIONS of people in the third world. That racist crap turns my stomach.

Germany shutting down their nuclear power plants is causing real harm to real people and real ecosystems. Why don't you care? What is wrong with your heart that you hate the environment so much you will distort real science to keep on with the killing spree?
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 15 Jan 2017, 13:10:34

Hey Tanada

Mother nature rules so have a look and learn what mother nature is doing:

Solar Power and storing "techniques"

E²=(pC)²+(mC²)²

You are indeed a solar energy collecting and transforming mammal eating rice potatoes or wheat/meat

If earths life is possible with "low energy flows"/m² why should we expand energy flows which are destroying our habitat direct or indirect?

We must use nuclear power (fuel) to travel into the deep space and find new worlds for us very soon.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 19 Apr 2017, 06:12:12

Germanys CO2 Budjet for 2017 is exterminated
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutsc ... n-101.html
But who cares the Greatest Coalition ever is the dirtiest ever in Germany.

THE COAL MUST BE BURNED

SO WE ARE ALL GOING TO CLIMATE HELL

DOOMSDAY
https://energytransition.org/2017/03/ge ... by-a-mile/

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HEIL! MERKEL!

MAD MAX IS COMING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNWi-ZWL3c
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 19 Apr 2017, 09:41:27

M_B_S wrote:Germanys CO2 Budjet for 2017 is exterminated
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutsc ... n-101.html
But who cares the Greatest Coalition ever is the dirtiest ever in Germany.

THE COAL MUST BE BURNED

SO WE ARE ALL GOING TO CLIMATE HELL

DOOMSDAY
https://energytransition.org/2017/03/ge ... by-a-mile/

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HEIL! MERKEL!

MAD MAX IS COMING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNWi-ZWL3c



From the short time horizon political point of view Coal burning is great. It employs a lot of people, it generates a lot of taxes, and the main consequences are far enough down the road they can ignore them.
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Re: Germanys dirty secret under Chancelor Merkel

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 19 Apr 2017, 11:28:48

@ Tanada

Thats why Merkel is no "Great Leader" @all

When you know something you have to do the correct thing not the opportune thing.

Even if this means you lost political power.

She knows and understands the facts and she failed.

Merkel and her coalition is guilty when millions and later billions will suffer.
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