BasilBoy wrote:Sixstrings wrote:There's a hint of religious fervor in the way you speak -- humans treat animals "digustingly." By whose measure though? Yours? What is your source for animal rights??? Aren't you anthropomorphizing animals?
I’m an atheist and apolitical. There is no religious fervor in my words. I commented on the movie. I thought the images portrayed inhumane treatment of animals and it disgusted me (if you polled 1000 viewers and you were one of them, I’d guess about 999 would agree with my assessment).Sixstrings wrote:You have to give me RATIONAL reasons for such an extreme philosophy, not emotional / religious / ascetic reasons.
I don't have to give you anything. I'm surely not going to try to explain the strong positions of others. I am not a vegan activist. I'm not even a vegan (I've adopted a predominantly vegan diet for health benefits). If you have read what I posted in this thread, you should know that. Instead, you've made all sorts of assumptions about me that are not correct and then used these false assumptions to rant against vegans. You should ask them all your questions and I suggest that you ask them with respect and listen carefully. You might learn something. If you've cultivated well thought-out positions, maybe they'll learn from you too....
Pretty much my thoughts on this subject, too, Basilboy.
Sixstrings, have you watched Earthlings or Food Inc.? As Basilboy said earlier, it's hard to watch. Sure, vegans can have quite extreme positions on what animals shouldn't be used for, but their reasoning behind it is suffering. It's the suffering the animals have to endure, not only in their deaths but in their lives. And, from what I understand, what vegans are against is the pervasive attitude that because we are man we can impose whatever suffering on other creatures that we want, in order to get what we want, whether it's food, entertainment, etc. The factory meat farms are horrible for animals, and the reason it's evolved into this is because of our exploding human population and because we eat so much meat. Maybe it wouldn't have to be this way if we just ate small amounts of meat once or twice a week? We just go to the store, or sit down at McDonald's, and eat, without a thought about what living creatures endured to provide this food for us. As I said earlier, I treat my garden with much more respect than that. I don't understand how the vegan position could be perceived a religious decision at all - it seems more a matter of conscience to me. Religion often teaches that man has domain over animals, but I don't think all religions would be accepting of the cruelty animals are subjected to.