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Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 09:19:06

Hi Guys, the dollar has been falling for a long time now, and that usually means some steps from the top will be taken to arrest that fall. The last big move to get the world to buy dollars was October / November 2008, the top central banks called in their dollar loans, sacked all the little investment banks, and then printed a trillion dollars and paid it to themselves. It's rejuvenating effect on the dollar didn't last long.

Anyone feel they've got a good idea whats going to happen this time?
Here's my ideas...

(a) Central banks recall of loans. But I don't think it works well twice in quick succession.
(b) Demand money from large companys, like during the Iraq war when many companys were told to give large sums to the central banks.
(c) The dollar fall could be another 'fake' to get nervous investors to 'jump ship', in which case methods (a) and (b) will be used to row the world economy.
(d) Drastic Restrict the flows of hard wealth \ commodties around the world - oil, food, steel, fertilizer.
(e) Drastic The world bank could begin real gold trade in exchange for agrements by countries to back the dollar. This is seen as a desparate stop gap, delaying more drastic action.
(f) Drastic The Money changer cartel abandons the dollar, moving to the euro or sterling.
(g) Drastic Intesify all the small physical wars and covert operations going on in the world, eroding resistance to the dollar money system and scaring larger factions into buying the dollar.
(h) Very Drastic Begin large scale wars against factions with high wealth - i.e. china.

(i) Banks redirect money and wealth back into domestic rather than foreign industry, reversing a trend that has been on going for decades. Not likely. Money changers HATE doing this.

Those actions marked drastic may require another false flag operation to scare western authoritys into compliance.
Really, it's only a matter of time before something drastic happens. The soft methods I've mentioned don't deal with the cause of the dollar fall, i.e. the US industrial base has been dismantled, and foreign work forces are much cheaper. There are few stimulace to buy dollars, and many reasons to use foreign currencys.

Any other ideas before we dicuss the ones I've mentioned so far?
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:12:49

Denmark okays controversial Russian pipeline

Everyone has now realized that the United States is being swept into an uncontrollable spiral involving widespread insolvency of the country and gross incompetence of the U.S. elite in implementing the necessary solutions. The foretold US default is well underway as exemplified by the falling dollar and the flight of capital from the country: only the name of the liquidator and the recognition of the bankruptcy are still missing, but it shouldn’t be long now. Following the example of its leader, the Western bloc (which Japan has undertaken to move away from, implementing completely new political, economic, financial and diplomatic policies (2)), is in total decay symbolized by NATO’s coalition in Afghanistan (3).

According to LEAP/E2020, in 2010, the European Union having four strategic core requirements, will be compelled to take a number of urgent decisions in a context of a fast collapse of the Western camp that could be summed up as the US Dollar’s fate. The decisions taken by the EU will define the role the Europeans will be playing in the post-crisis world.


Denmark is siding with Germany which was the first to side with Russia.

Watch NATO closely.

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Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Also, the World Harvest will be at least 10% short of latest est.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:19:55

To date the total Russian grain harvest is 98.8 MMT in bunker weight, say the Ag Ministry, which is down on the 112.2 MMT harvested in bunker weight last season.

The wheat harvest has amounted to 62 MMT, they say, and the barley harvest 18.5 MMT.

If we convert that to clean weight then we should end up with a wheat harvest of around 59.5-60.5 MMT and a barley harvest of 17.5-18.0 MMT. That compares with a clean weight harvest of 63.3 MMT and 24 MMT last season.


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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:34:19

your contant fail predictions of doom Mcgowanmj have become more than tiresome:

http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/ ... 05715.html

Forecast increases for record corn, soybean harvests

The projected record harvest for the state's corn and soybean crops just keeps growing.

A revised forecast released today by the Kansas Agricultural Statistics Service called for the state to harvest 561.2 million bushels of corn and 146 million bushels of soybeans.


Fall harvest at hand

http://www.waunetanebraska.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=53

In the USDA’s recent crop produc-tion reports, the U.S. corn crop is pegged at over 12.95 billion bushels this year, just shy of the record 13.1 billion bushels harvested in 2007. If realized, that would make this year’s U.S. corn crop the second largest on record.

The nation’s soybean crop is expected to be a record, with projections of 3.2 billion bushels put forward by USDA in earlier reports.

In Nebraska, we are on track for record crop production. This year’s cooler and wetter growing season is now forecast to produce a record 1.52 billion-bushel corn crop for Nebraska. Based on Aug. 1 conditions, the report forecasts Nebraska’s record potential 1.52 billion bushel corn crop at 9 percent above last year.


Brazil Expecting Record Grain Crop, Up 5% from Last Year

http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/11286/1/

According to Conab, the Brazilian Supply Corporation, Brazil expects the coming 2009/2010 grains crop to reach 141.1 million tons. This would represent an increase in the range of 2.9% to 4.8% over the 2008/09 record harvest of 135.16 million tons.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:52:08

I'm not sure they will try to stop the fall of the dollar. They probably figure it will boost exports, help the trade deficit.

The end result will probably be in the future, just printing $ to pay off all the gov's debts rather than default. I wonder what printing $20 trillion ($20,000,000,000,000) in 10 years will do to the value of the dollar?
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby Pops » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 18:53:59

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 22:15:16

There are very good reasons the USA is better off with a weaker dollar.
1/ Real debt reduction.
2/ Real reason to manufacture in house.
3/ Real reason for the people and Government to focus internally.
4/ Real reason to increase efficiency measures.
I think the post is almost exactly wrong.
The plan is to allow the dollar to fall under Obama; this may be the number 1 reason he is there. The GOP will spend the election they want to win blaming Obama for destroying the economy.
It is not the USA who is in control anyway, it's the banking elites.
I would guess that the last thing the banking elites will allow to happen is destruction of wealth creation in any major way. This means nobody will be attacking China. Nobody will be blocking supply lines to the majors.
In case nobody noticed the forex 'cartel' don't give a hoot about the USD$ other than what profit they can make trading it; up or down.
Who knows? Maybe the US has orders from on high to get ready to become a normal player in the market? i.e. reliant on real trade value instead of reserve currency oligarky?
Maybe the USA will be a nicer place to be if it becomes a normal country; instead of "God's Almighty Nation Over All"?
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby patience » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 22:54:27

I'm with SeaGypsy. The banksters have plundered about all they can get from the US economy, and I don't think it will bother them at all to throw away the husk. Throw the dollar under the bus, and the banks can break what is left of the middle class, foreclose on everything they thought they "owned", and make them serfs forever. Just like Jefferson said they would, "first by inflation, then by deflation". That whipsaw is deadly to everyone, especially those in debt.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 23:03:08

patience wrote:foreclose on everything they thought they "owned", and make them serfs forever.


IMHO, foreclosure victims are getting just what they deserved. Collateral damage to the rest of us who didn't follow lemming-like behavior is the big tragedy.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby Roy » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 07:01:33

IMHO, foreclosure victims are getting just what they deserved.


You sound like a Republican parroting Rush Limbaugh. But you voted for the "anti war change guy" didn't you?

What about people who have lost their jobs and are getting foreclosed upon due to lack of income?

When it's you getting laid off I think you will be singing a different tune.

Or will you simply blame yourself for your company going out of business?
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 10:03:45

SeaGypsy,
Your 4 positive domestic reasons for a low dollar are in effect what I'd already mentioned, it would shift industry back to the US and it's allies. But as I'd already mentioned, money changers hate doing this - investing in domestic, or more localised, less centralised, economy. The only times in history when the money changers back the domestic economy of their resident countries is around war time.
Weak dollar is good for domestic industry, but is bad for geo-strategy, simply because it's one less option to gain favours with. Nobody wants a worthless piece of paper in exchange for commodities. If the money changers can't get all the things they want by paper, or US industrial goods, they'll have to use one of their other trump cards - military force, covert war, gold selling or geo-strategic resources.

The gold trade option seems to be starting to happen. One of the comments is good.
The money changers selling off their gold is a co-sign of weak dollars that a geo-economic shift is on the cards.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 10:21:03

The $ stays strong or US Overseas Bases all 800 collapse.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Fri 23 Oct 2009, 11:02:03

Just wanted to add another option the money changers could take.

(j) Sack chindia.

It's well known that Chindia's economic boom has been financed by the west. It's popular these days to assume China is highly independant from the west. But remember what happened to the last Eastern superpower - the USSR. It turned out the USSR was a puppet of the western money changers created to scare and parry the US bloc. By 1990, after 50 years of apparent health, and at a convienient time for the west, the soviet bloc suddenly imploded on itself. This coincided with a time when the US industrial base was fast eroding - so no more need for a big enemy - and also preceded China's inevitable rise and interest in the middle east - the US needed to minimize opposition to it's plans in the middle East.
For some, this, along with investigations by those such as Antony Sutton's it was clear the western money changers had effective control over the Soviet union all along.

So, is this the same with China? Perhaps Rockerfeller and Rothschild have enough influence over the banks of China to effect the same sack as they've done so many times to so many countries in the past.

The scare stories we hear about china becoming an independant force, able to parry the west in geo strategy and soon able to push aside the west are to a large degree based on the idea that Chinese bussiness' is independant of the west. It is not, and not just in the limited sense that Chindia needs the west for exports. And not only in the sense that a large part of chindia bussiness is simply western companies taking advantage of cheap labour, raking in all the money themselves.
A large part of the 'truely' Chindian companys - those that aren't owned or financed by the west - depend heavily on loans from the central banks of China and India. Few companys there are independant of banks, state or western money.
Back when western banks called in the dollar loans and caused a world depression, China filled the void left in China's economy with $585bn equivalent Yen loans.

So, what happens if the banks call in all the loans? The same thing that always happens, the economy is sacked, the people at the top grab the lot.
If Rockefeller and Rothechild had the power to create and then destroy the USSR at will, then they can
sack Chindia.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby gmin » Sat 24 Oct 2009, 01:55:49

meemoe_uk:

J will be a bad choice for the money changers, especially in China.
They don't control the Chinese banks or the broad financial markets there.
To a large degree, the Chinese have been paying them only lip services.

Below are some of their actions that shows that Chinese banks are not the money changers.

1.No trading of index futures yet, though since early 2007., the tune has always been that trading can be launched within a few months, pending some final review of the technical details.
2.Mainland Chinese are blocked from investing in HK market, those in 2007 at a time the channel's open and some money started to flow into HK. But it's never officially ready and the flow lasted only a few weeks.
3.Chinese "no-string attached" financing in the third world.
4.The huge stimulus package you mentioned, which shielded the Chinese economy from the liquidity squeeze money changers created.
5.The recent Chinese buying spree around world for natural resource.
6.A recent best-seller in China is a book on the banking families, portraiting them as the secret pusher of world events for the last 200 years.

I guess the money changers know how much control they actually have in China. If they want to squeeze by pulling out, first it won't work, second it will be much hard to get back in.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 24 Oct 2009, 02:16:46

meemoe_uk wrote:Just wanted to add another option the money changers could take.

(j) Sack chindia.

It's well known that Chindia's economic boom has been financed by the west. It's popular these days to assume China is highly independant from the west. But remember what happened to the last Eastern superpower - the USSR. It turned out the USSR was a puppet of the western money changers created to scare and parry the US bloc. By 1990, after 50 years of apparent health, and at a convienient time for the west, the soviet bloc suddenly imploded on itself. This coincided with a time when the US industrial base was fast eroding - so no more need for a big enemy - and also preceded China's inevitable rise and interest in the middle east - the US needed to minimize opposition to it's plans in the middle East.
For some, this, along with investigations by those such as Antony Sutton's it was clear the western money changers had effective control over the Soviet union all along.

So, is this the same with China? Perhaps Rockerfeller and Rothschild have enough influence over the banks of China to effect the same sack as they've done so many times to so many countries in the past.

The scare stories we hear about china becoming an independant force, able to parry the west in geo strategy and soon able to push aside the west are to a large degree based on the idea that Chinese bussiness' is independant of the west. It is not, and not just in the limited sense that Chindia needs the west for exports. And not only in the sense that a large part of chindia bussiness is simply western companies taking advantage of cheap labour, raking in all the money themselves.
A large part of the 'truely' Chindian companys - those that aren't owned or financed by the west - depend heavily on loans from the central banks of China and India. Few companys there are independant of banks, state or western money.
Back when western banks called in the dollar loans and caused a world depression, China filled the void left in China's economy with $585bn equivalent Yen loans.

So, what happens if the banks call in all the loans? The same thing that always happens, the economy is sacked, the people at the top grab the lot.
If Rockefeller and Rothechild had the power to create and then destroy the USSR at will, then they can
sack Chindia.


No chance at all.
China's credit market is a precious fledgling followed by India's. This process is beginning in the East as it collapses in the West.
Just think of it this way (the banksters wet dream):
There are 3.5 billion people in East and South East Asia. That is at least 10 times USA consumer numbers. They are staisfied with a tiny fraction of wages in the west. They are used to paying exhorbitant interest on loans; 20% a week is not unusual (goole 5 for 1 loans). It is easy to do credit checks in Asia and people are very used to handing over very personal information to get credit. They are tech and computer savvy. They are adaptable to western modes of business. They are desperately trying to obtain even a shadow of western opulence.
Bankers wet dream.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby sittinguy » Sat 24 Oct 2009, 07:37:41

Its my McMansion, AND I WANT IT NOW!.

I agree with MOS, about the foreclosures. If I lost my job, I have a reasonable house pmt, that I could cancel my phone, cable, high speed internet, cut back on electricity use, ect, ect. And afford my pmt on a part time job. Alot of people bought a home way over their heads, or should have never bought in the first place. some people are meant to be renters.

But instead I personally know people the are just sitting on their asses getting unemployment, with absolutly NO REQUIRMENT to look for job. and I am sure they will get another extension.

I just hope Cliff High's predictions are somewhat true. 24 hours to go :)
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby JJ » Sat 24 Oct 2009, 08:09:46

SeaGypsy wrote:
meemoe_uk wrote:Just wanted to add another option the money changers could take.

(j) Sack chindia.

It's well known that Chindia's economic boom has been financed by the west. It's popular these days to assume China is highly independant from the west. But remember what happened to the last Eastern superpower - the USSR. It turned out the USSR was a puppet of the western money changers created to scare and parry the US bloc. By 1990, after 50 years of apparent health, and at a convienient time for the west, the soviet bloc suddenly imploded on itself. This coincided with a time when the US industrial base was fast eroding - so no more need for a big enemy - and also preceded China's inevitable rise and interest in the middle east - the US needed to minimize opposition to it's plans in the middle East.
For some, this, along with investigations by those such as Antony Sutton's it was clear the western money changers had effective control over the Soviet union all along.

So, is this the same with China? Perhaps Rockerfeller and Rothschild have enough influence over the banks of China to effect the same sack as they've done so many times to so many countries in the past.

The scare stories we hear about china becoming an independant force, able to parry the west in geo strategy and soon able to push aside the west are to a large degree based on the idea that Chinese bussiness' is independant of the west. It is not, and not just in the limited sense that Chindia needs the west for exports. And not only in the sense that a large part of chindia bussiness is simply western companies taking advantage of cheap labour, raking in all the money themselves.
A large part of the 'truely' Chindian companys - those that aren't owned or financed by the west - depend heavily on loans from the central banks of China and India. Few companys there are independant of banks, state or western money.
Back when western banks called in the dollar loans and caused a world depression, China filled the void left in China's economy with $585bn equivalent Yen loans.

So, what happens if the banks call in all the loans? The same thing that always happens, the economy is sacked, the people at the top grab the lot.
If Rockefeller and Rothechild had the power to create and then destroy the USSR at will, then they can
sack Chindia.


No chance at all.
China's credit market is a precious fledgling followed by India's. This process is beginning in the East as it collapses in the West.
Just think of it this way (the banksters wet dream):
There are 3.5 billion people in East and South East Asia. That is at least 10 times USA consumer numbers. They are staisfied with a tiny fraction of wages in the west. They are used to paying exhorbitant interest on loans; 20% a week is not unusual (goole 5 for 1 loans). It is easy to do credit checks in Asia and people are very used to handing over very personal information to get credit. They are tech and computer savvy. They are adaptable to western modes of business. They are desperately trying to obtain even a shadow of western opulence.
Bankers wet dream.


I concur. I've met very few people here in the United States who have a clue as to how most of the rest of the world lives. I think that most of the rest of the world will adjust quite well. The US, not so.
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Re: Fall of dollar forewarns of new geopolitic trigger event

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Mon 26 Oct 2009, 19:27:26

I just wanted to mention an old general trick the money changers have used.
(k) The paper - resources - arms - war recycling cheap trick.
The money changers give out paper to resource rich nations in exchange for their wealth, e.g. oil. The victim nations then stockpiles paper IOUs. Then the money changers offer to sell them arms in exchange for the stockpile of IOUs. Then the victim nations are pushed into war with each other, overspend and are indebted to the money changers. A good example is Iran-Iraq in the 1980s.
That would be a solution for the money changers, but it only works well with smaller victims. China, India and Russia are too big for this, hence this small needling terror strategy going on, where the aim is to weaken these large powers. Also there has been significant arms shiped to india and taiwan. So what we're seeing is a slower subtler version of what happened with Iraq-Iran 1980s.

I was wondering about (f)
(f) The Money changer cartel abandons the dollar, moving to the euro or sterling.
Also the SDR should be considered. After all, it is one of the long term goals of the money changers to increase the power of the SDR. I was looking at SDR exchange rates to see if anything funny was going on. But like the dollar, SDRs are weakening against 'industry' backed currencys such as the chinese yuan. It's the same picture - money changer currecys are weakening.

Well so far, since we haven't uncovered any secret geo-strategy by the money changers, it looks like the best idea we have for whats happening next is...
(d) Drastic Restrict the flows of hard wealth \ commodties around the world - oil, food, steel, fertilizer.
Oil prices are starting to go up again, out of synch with the so called 'driving season'.

Webster Tarpley mentioned the weakening dollar on a recent Alex Jones radio talk. He's in agreement with us that it could precipitate a serious money problem. He's mostly talking about the recent CIA/MI6 bombings in pakistan and iran.
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