pstarr wrote:If you stop wasting bandwidth and CO2 on pointless high-definition images that are a lazy excuse for lazy thinking. Do we have a deal"?
See, I already proved you wrong that you wouldn't just leave me on ignore and "let it go".
pstarr wrote:If you stop wasting bandwidth and CO2 on pointless high-definition images that are a lazy excuse for lazy thinking. Do we have a deal"?
pstarr wrote:How will deep ocean-bottom methane mud (it only exists in a pressurized state at great depth) be dredged up to the surface without a) the methane ice depressurizing and bubbling away and b) throwing away precious petroleum energy in a net-energy losing enterprise? Still waiting. No pictures. No snark.
pstarr wrote:You have to excuse me Monte, but I have been called an energy doomer by the likes of ennui and his betters many times. But I will not stop challenging Energy Illiteracy & Low Cost Oil Complacency for the sake of your thread control.
ennui2 wrote:Because the doomer party-line was that tar and shale was not going to happen, because it wasn't economical.
MonteQuest wrote:ennui2 wrote:Because the doomer party-line was that tar and shale was not going to happen, because it wasn't economical.
It wasn't. We went further into debt to do it.
ennui2 wrote:MonteQuest wrote:ennui2 wrote:Because the doomer party-line was that tar and shale was not going to happen, because it wasn't economical.
It wasn't. We went further into debt to do it.
Because oil prices tanked. When oil prices are high enough, it's profitable.
Shaved Monkey wrote:But when oil prices are high enough it kills demand and economic growth.
Simon_R wrote:I would say that the US is not energy illiterate, we all are. This is a necessary result of specialization in our complex society. To say third world people know more about there energy is only because they have very simple generators (a diesel Genny - and how many know in detail they whys and wherefores of that).
As for the clathrates issue. Would it be fair to say
There is an energy resource which is currently ridiculously expensive to get (as we know about it, we must have got some of it, so it can be got)
the only question is when the benefits outweigh the costs, will the extraction technology be scalable.
Simon
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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