[SeaGypsy]

Hahaha... Jesus guys you are being ridiculous. If Cog is really worthy of the level of derogation some of you throw at him I think you need to get out more, really, or even just on the net. Most folks here would have little to no personal knowledge of Cog, our resident dry piss taker. Lighten up a bit ffs.

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[Cog]

I don't blame them SeaGypsy. When a progressive meets someone who believes in American exceptionalism, patriotism, or just plain likes liberty without an over-arching government controlling your every move, it fills them with rage. The progressive/socialist can't really be having individuals live as they see fit. Everything and everyone must conform to the socialist ideal.

Guns piss them off.
Religion pisses them off.
Moral values piss them off.
Modernity pisses them off.

They spend all their days being in a rage about something or other.

Progressives, in all their various shades, suffer from a mental illness. I do pity them and have no hard feelings about the way they are. They simply can't help it.

[curlyq3]

Howdy ... it seems that all "dominate" civilizations or tribes or what ever the collective social structures maintain their dominance by having the "Exceptional" ability to destroy all challengers to their dominate status ... in this regard, America continues to be the hardest hitting nuclear power and has the exceptional "Bat Shit Crazy Will" to use those weapons ... it is inevitable that an all out nuclear exchange will end this once and for all ... if it were not for the splitting of the atom, we might have carried on for many more centuries ... "hairless apes sealed their fate with nuclear"

curlyq3

[Tanada]

Personally I learned to ignore the opinions of the ignorant masses a long time ago. Doesn't much matter to me what Progressive think of me or what they think of the USA in other countries either.

I live here because when I was a teen age person I discovered America was not the perfect place I had made it to be in my mind. I diligently searched out information on other countries hoping to find one closer to the ideal I had in my head of what the USA was supposed to be. I learned something very important, despite all the faults I found with my home country I didn't find any foreign country to be fundamentally better, and most of them were actually much worse.

[GHung]

I don't blame them SeaGypsy. When a progressive meets someone who believes in American exceptionalism, patriotism, or just plain likes liberty without an over-arching government controlling your every move, it fills them with rage. The progressive/socialist can't really be having individuals live as they see fit. Everything and everyone must conform to the socialist ideal.

Guns piss them off.
Religion pisses them off.
Moral values piss them off.
Modernity pisses them off.

It isn't those things that piss me off. It's that those things are seen by many as the be-all-end-all of greatness; that they look no further, no deeper. That America was founded on great ideals doesn't belie the fact that it was also founded on slavery and genocide. That America has done much for the rest of the world doesn't mean that it hasn't exploited it's power for the benefit of the few. In that sense, we're not much different from other great societies who saw themselves as exceptional.

[Cid_Yama]

Don't know where you get that Cog, made that up in your own mind I guess. Another among many false stereotypes held by people lacking critical thinking abilities. I guess stereotypes are a defective mental shortcut. You build strawmen to fight.

I am a Progressive.

I own guns.
I am religious. - But being religious does not require science denial or Crusader tendencies.
I consider myself and my fellow Progressives far more moral that you and your ilk. Integrity, both intellectual and moral are living values among Progressives.
And I own the best and latest technology that money can buy.

You are delusional with regards to the abstract concepts of liberty and patriotism, like something you got off the back of a cereal box. No thinking required.

You see, true patriots stand up and recognize when wrongs are being committed by their country in their name, and DEMAND these wrongs be set right. They stand up when they see their fellow citizens deprived of basic humanitarian consideration, denied healthcare, adequate shelter, living wages, a warm coat, and a full belly.

What is portrayed on TV, in movies, sitcoms, and commercials is not shared by the majority of Americans. Their lives are nothing like that. It's like a carrot dangled before their hungry eyes but ever out of reach.

They are made to feel worthless that they do not have what they see portrayed on TV, no matter how hard they work, as if everyone has it but them.

And it's not them. It's the system of exploitation under which they live. They have been denied a place at the table, so that those at the table can have more.

Our government has been usurped by Corporate interests. The wealth of America is being harvested to the last drop of blood. The people have no voice, they are shouted down by Corporate money, as their life's blood
is spirited away to someone else's coffers.

YOU apparently benefit from this system. YOU think it's the best in the world. Somehow you are blinded to the misery.

But I guess to someone who thinks in stereotypes, they are guilty in their poverty, and deserve all the misery you can spew upon them.

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross". - Sinclair Lewis

[Cog]

There is no constitutional right to health care, a full belly, a living wage, adequate shelter or equality of results. Those things are merely a wish list of a socialist, who wants to rob the productive to provide for the lazy. A wish list that can not and will not ever be fulfilled.

The state department is a better place without you working for it Cid, if that is the way you feel about America.

What you do have in America is an opportunity to make all of those things happen if you will get off your dead ass and work for them. For many of the immigrants who have come to this country, the USA has a superior model to the one they left behind. Otherwise, they would have stayed where they were at.

America remains exceptional in spite of the best efforts of socialists and social justice warriors efforts to turn it into just another ordinary socially progressive country.

The supreme rights of the individual is why we have the form of government we do. SJW's hate the Constitution because it makes it difficult to create their socialist "paradise". The Founders foresaw what would happen here and made it as difficult as possible to change their vision for America.

[Lore]

You can get off your ass and work an average job all day and night long and it still won't pay for your medical bills. If you believe in the precepts of the Declaration of Independance then you would also agree in the unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all, not just for some.

[Cog]

You have the liberty to pursue your dreams. If you fail, it is really tough shit. Part of the good part of being an American is unequal results based on merit and hard work. Want to sit on your ass, then expect not to achieve much. I'm cool with that result.

There is no right to succeed or have equal results. You have the opportunity to make of your life what you wish. Many immigrants have come here with nothing and have made their lives a success. Don't tell me it can't be done.

[Cid_Yama]

Thank you for sharing the prejudices and delusions of your dark, withered heart. Leaves one to wonder, though, what moral values it could possibly hold. Perhaps you don't understand the concept.

The myth of opportunity for all seems to be a cornerstone of your delusion. Ever heard of the concept of the uneven playing field? Or about having to sell your soul? I see you sold yours.

Bet your opportunity came with the circumstances of your birth, since you failed to mention yourself in your example.

[AgentR11]

Hmm.. Is America exceptional. de facto.. Yep.
Is America just and honorable? Nope.

So where have we taken ourselves? Well, we have a lust for conquest and violence that is hard to match; and its paired with the greatest sacrifice in history of other people's money at the point of our guns, to buy us more guns with which to insure that other people's money keeps flowing.

We really have two competing trains of thought; we have the thought that is our love for liberty, individualism, justice, and the rule of law. But we also have the thoughts of empire, where conquest, and the focusing of the globes resources for our amusement and comfort guide our action.

We are exceptional in that we are the biggest, fastest, cruelest boxer in the ring; and we will pound any opponent till the ref calls the match, and then we'll dodge the ref and kick the guy in the head a few times, just for fun. Thus the world obeys.

For us, we RULE by law, but are not BOUND by law.

And thus, we, are exceptional by power and the will to wield it.

Now. Kneel before Zod and send me my chocolate bar.

[Cog]

If you are a somewhat responsible person in life, you look at the opportunities in front of you and you seize the initiative to obtain the rewards. That might require great sacrifices in time, money, or simply busting your ass for a while. That is the American dream at its finest.

If you start out low in life, you don't have to stay there. That is the myth the left loves to peddle. The myth you are a permanent victim based on your race, ethnicity, or some other factor.

Here is what LBJ said about black people for instance when he passed the Civil Rights bill in 1964. This is typical of how the left views blacks. As permanent victims who can never rise above their race or circumstance.

"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

[Lore]

You're confusing a pipe dream to reality. We're not talking about being wealthy or poor here. I'm talking about the ability to survive your dreams be they big or small.

[Cid_Yama]

You seem to have disproved your own premise with your quote.

we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference...

[GHung]

Cog said; "Those things are merely a wish list of a socialist, who wants to rob the productive to provide for the lazy."

Again, Cog proudly displays his binary thinking skills. There are two kinds of people: "productive" and "lazy". Glad he set us straight on that.

[Cog]

You seem to have disproved your own premise with your quote.

we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference...

I am stating exactly how LBJ felt about black people. He destroyed black families with his plans. That does not mean there are not opportunities for blacks in the USA. But they must reject the Democrat narrative that they are victims of the white man and go out and work to achieve their dreams. There are many successful black businessmen out there that didn't fall for this BS.

[Cog]

Cog said; "Those things are merely a wish list of a socialist, who wants to rob the productive to provide for the lazy."

Again, Cog proudly displays his binary thinking skills. There are two kinds of people: "productive" and "lazy". Glad he set us straight on that.

Do you have the Constitutional right to have as much money as your neighbor? If not, and you desire such wealth, then I suggest that posting your complaints about your lot in life, will not get it for you.

[vtsnowedin]

Exactly, my point that we have increasingly been seen over the years for what we actually are. An overbearing arrogant wanna be Empire. Certainly persons like Cog epitomize this mindset. A minority like me who while still living here recognize the US for what it is. I will add, I have no allegiance to the vague notion of a country. I have allegiance to humanity and the positive traits is possesses.

Will "Humanity" send in a Seal teem six to haul your chestnuts out of the fire if the need arose?

[GHung]

Cog said; "Those things are merely a wish list of a socialist, who wants to rob the productive to provide for the lazy."

Again, Cog proudly displays his binary thinking skills. There are two kinds of people: "productive" and "lazy". Glad he set us straight on that.

Do you have the Constitutional right to have as much money as your neighbor? If not, and you desire such wealth, then I suggest that posting your complaints about your lot in life, will not get it for you.

Totally un-responsive to my comment, Cog. Point being, there are a lot of non-lazy people that need help at some point. That's what societies who aren't based on your brand of socioapathy do. Good luck getting help if/when you need it.

[Cog]

Cog said; "Those things are merely a wish list of a socialist, who wants to rob the productive to provide for the lazy."

Again, Cog proudly displays his binary thinking skills. There are two kinds of people: "productive" and "lazy". Glad he set us straight on that.

Do you have the Constitutional right to have as much money as your neighbor? If not, and you desire such wealth, then I suggest that posting your complaints about your lot in life, will not get it for you.

Totally un-responsive to my comment, Cog. Point being, there are a lot of non-lazy people that need help at some point. That's what societies who aren't based on your brand of socioapathy do. Good luck getting help if/when you need it.

There are no guarantees in life. Bad things happen. I'm sorry it works that way. If you desire to help people that are down on their luck, by all means do so. But when you want to use the government to put a gun to my head to force me to do so, then you cross the line into fascism.

I am, buy the way, a huge fan of charity and give to them generously. But it is the voluntary nature of charity that appeals to me.