Documentary: "What a Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire"

[ReverseEngineer]

It's ok to love the natural world, just don't forget that people come first.

Have to disagree with that.

How long does a person last if he is Homeless? Without good shelter and succor, Human Beings are weak shells that succumb to the elements rapidly.

Taking care of Mother Earth isn't about protecting Panda Bears. Its about making sure we have a Home to live in. You don't repair the roof of your house, eventually the water coming in undermines the whole thing. You put too many people living in the same house, they start to fight amongst each other.

You light fires willy nilly all around your house, you about GUARANTEE it will BURN DOWN. This is all of what we did. No infrastructure maintanance, overpopulation and burning fires everywhere to make more cars and more plastic toys.

Whether you want to anthropomorphize the Earth or not, the fact is that WE do not come first, the EARTH comes first. Without the Earth, we just got no place to live, we do NOT have access to a Stargate and we can't just walk off to another world.

It had to stop, and it IS stopping. Mother Earth is srtessed past the point not only of providing good habitat for Panda Bears, it doesn;t support the 6B Human Beings living on the surface all that well either, not in aggregate. It only seems OK to you because in your little location as of yet people aren't going hungry and living in squalor, but they are already and have been for many years elsewhere. Now it is coming to a Theatre Near You. For the basic reason that you put ahead of Mother Earth human greed, and the desire to live comfortably and easily. It ain;t gonna happen anymore, because the Oil that made it possible for a short time for a few people living on the surface of the Earth is now in too short supply.

Care about people all you want, but if you don't respect Mother Nature, she will come back and THUNDER down on you with her soldiers, she will march the Hurricanes into the GOM one by one until every last rig you built is down in Davey Jones Locker. NOBODY messes with Mother Nature and wins Sixstrings, and thinking Human Beings are above that is a major error. Its going to cost Billions of lives here pretty soon, and its all because there was not the respect given to this home we have, hurtling thru space as the Spaceship Earth with its Nuclear Fired fuel supply of the Sun it revolves about. Its the one and only home this incarnation of Humanity has, and we trashed it. Now we will pay the price for that.

Reverse Engineer

[Ludi]

the fact is that WE do not come first, the EARTH comes first. Without the Earth, we just got no place to live, we do NOT have access to a Stargate and we can't just walk off to another world.

100% agree.

[oowolf]

I had this last year and showed it to all who could sit through it, then donated to local library. It is a pretty good summation of just about everything discussed here over the years. However, as we well know, few of the brainwashed millions really want to escape the media-maintained "Wetico psychosis" that passes for human life.

note on "Wetico psychosis": Jack D. Forbes' masterwork "Columbus and Other Cannibals" is, at long last, back in print. It is a damning indictment of so-called Western Civilization, from one of the most eloquent Native American philosophers since Chief Seattle. This is another book that's definitely not for the timid.

[mos6507]

note on "Wetico psychosis": Jack D. Forbes' masterwork "Columbus and Other Cannibals" is, at long last, back in print. It is a damning indictment of so-called Western Civilization, from one of the most eloquent Native American philosophers since Chief Seattle. This is another book that's definitely not for the timid.

Here is an important point. When someone gets right in your face and makes a rage-filled rant against an entire race/group/ideology, people tend to get into fight or flight syndrome. They'll dig their heels in and defend the group they belong to simply because you're attacking. This is the main reason why I tend to kick dirt in the faces of some of the more radical members of this board. It's not that I disagree with the message all the time, but the presentation is so radical, so morally indignant, that it's really quite useless outside of the safe confines of the already-converted.

What a Way to Go tries to make the same kind of points, but it eeeases into them gently, starting from the vantagepoint of joe average who was born and bred into business as usual. That to me is worth a lot more than dozens of radical books that nobody would want to pick up unless they already agreed with the subjectmatter.

The only thing offputting about it is the title, since I think "empire" by definition is an emotionally loaded term, for obvious reasons.



We need fewer "damning indictments" and more reasoned appeals for change.

[misterno]

How come the video is no longer available in youtube?

[mos6507]

How come the video is no longer available in youtube?

Must have been a copyright takedown. It's not public domain.

[Rank_Outsider]

It's very good, I enjoyed it immensley but it certainly is hard core doomer.

watched it twice.

If you cant watch it on youtube try the torrents.

A+

[pstarr]

Good documentary for the most part.

It gets a bit esoteric at times though. For example, the filmmaker suggests that the planet, plants and wildlife have rights in and of themselves.

"Human rights" are just that -- human. Nature is cruel and efficient, and the concept of "rights" exists only in the human mind.

The only use the natural world has is whatever use we have for it; whether that be asthetic pleasure (cute panda bears), food, or products.

It's a small point, but I'd prefer we not be so "new-agey" about the Earth. A clean and balanced environment is ideal because those things are good for us -- health wise, and asthetically. But please, let's spare ourselves the notion that evil humans are hurting good Mother Earth. The Earth really doesn't care, it would be just as happy if it looked like Venus or Mars.

I guess that's my only bone to pick with the tree-hugging "oh we are hurting the Earth" crowd. They seem to place a value on the natural world that is higher than the value of humankind. This leads to situations where people get far more worked up over dogs and cats suffering than their fellow man.

It's ok to love the natural world, just don't forget that people come first.

You wrote seven paragraphs explaining your world view (as far as that goes), and sparked a response from ReverseEngineer. Do you have anything to say?

[EndOfGrowth]

We will need nature to solve the problem and that will not be pretty.

That is exactly what the Illuminati have planned for us. They are ruled by and worship nature. Through death brings life. They are trying to save us from ourselves. The global population has to be reduced dramatically before we devour the planet, and annihilate what life there is left. By pulling credit, they are effectively turning off our life support. I believe the words "LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE" are written twice on the Georgia guide stones, which doesn't take a genius to figure out what the Masons have in store for us.

[mos6507]

That is exactly what the Illuminati have planned for us.

One of the reasons I liked this film is that it does not take the easy road out and just find some amorphous boogeyman to blame for the mess we're in. We were born into a way of thinking and become co-conspirators from a very early age. It's not about blame or feeling guilty. It's about personal enlightenment (I know, it's a kitsch new-agey phrase, but appropriate). If all you took away from watching this is more of the same illuminati fatalism where you can just moan "woe is me" and sit passively on your *ss and do nothing then you're hopeless.

[Quinny]

Googled and Torrented can't find it, someone give me a clue please.

[EndOfGrowth]

That is exactly what the Illuminati have planned for us.

One of the reasons I liked this film is that it does not take the easy road out and just find some amorphous boogeyman to blame for the mess we're in. We were born into a way of thinking and become co-conspirators from a very early age. It's not about blame or feeling guilty. It's about personal enlightenment (I know, it's a kitsch new-agey phrase, but appropriate). If all you took away from watching this is more of the same illuminati fatalism where you can just moan "woe is me" and sit passively on your *ss and do nothing then you're hopeless.

I never actually saw the film. I responded to Gandolf's post with this video in mind.[u]

[Revi]

What a way to Go was good, but it was an early doomer's perspective on things. What difference does it make?

He doesn't present any way out of our dilemma, so I would say that it is a doomer's manifesto.

I believe in positive action as a step towards a sustainable place to live. I know that my actions are like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, but they are important because we need to start on the road towards a sustainable place to live.

I liked The End of Suburbia better because it presents a real problem. What a Way to Go seems like What a Way to Whine.

[mos6507]

Googled and Torrented can't find it, someone give me a clue please.

Just buy it

[dinopello]

Googled and Torrented can't find it, someone give me a clue please.

Just buy it

or Netflix has it too.

[EndOfGrowth]

What a way to Go was good, but it was an early doomer's perspective on things.

How times have changed. I'm no longer worried about $250 oil or shortages because I doubt we'll ever see it. By 2011 the global economy will look like it's been chewed up and spat out. Demand for crude will have fallen off a cliff and oil will remain under $50 for a long time to come. The credit collapse is a more pressing issue for me now, it's real, it's affecting me and others around me already, and it's only just started.

[careinke]

Endofgrowth wrote:

Demand for crude will have fallen off a cliff and oil will remain under $50 for a long time to come.

Really?

March Futures $50.21

Cliff (Start a rEVOLution, grow a garden)

[EndOfGrowth]

Endofgrowth wrote:

Demand for crude will have fallen off a cliff and oil will remain under $50 for a long time to come.

Really?

March Futures $50.21

Cliff (Start a rEVOLution, grow a garden)

The recent run up in the price of crude has been supported by the current rally on the Dow, which is bizarre given all of the horrendous economic data that is being released on a daily basis now.

[Quinny]

Just watched this frightening, but inspiring. Thanks.

Let's build a boat.