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gandolf wrote:Already 10,000 kids die of starvation each day in africa and that dosent even make the news. Well I feel it is going to get a whole lot worse.
I just hope there are enogh left to bury the dead
MrMambo wrote:I think the creator of this movie has deviced his own personal romantic fantasy to be trapped in and that doesn't necessaraly lead to a better condition for humans.
mos6507 wrote:You hadn't already seen it? It's mandatory viewing for doomers.
Ludi wrote:I'm pretty darn doomeristic and I haven't seen it, nor do I intend to. I get all the doom I need right here on po.com!
MrMambo wrote:Watched it. A personal perspective on the human condition. His analysis of the current failed path we are on is pretyy good. But I don't agree with all the parts of his analasys.
He sort of disregards the good results and potential of complex society, science and technology, and dismisses science and technology as tools that could be employed to put us in balance with nature.
He doesn't like in the happy chapters, where smart people tell us that there are ways we can get out of the hole we have dug.
Instead he opts for go for a romantic spiritual relationship with nature, he has presented this vision in an artistic audio visual presentation created with digital cameras, computer edited, presented on youtube, where viewers log on to the largest machine buildt by humans, the internet.
The knowledge of the thinkers and writers he has interviewed in this fossile fuled powed traintrip around the country, he has gotten through industrial produced magazines, television and the internet.
I think the creator of this movie has deviced his own personal romantic fantasy to be trapped in and that doesn't necessaraly lead to a better condition for humans. Many animals are capable of using technology. You can see chimps using tools in the natural world. Most species engage in some sort of manipulation of their natural environment. Humans differ in the extent of our ability to quickly change the way we interact with our nature. We can build new tools and new cultural patterns of behaviour that leeds to new outcomes for both ourselves and our environment.
If we disregard the current level of scientific understanding of our own predicament and hope that we by doing this will end "the empire" of civilization by returning to some permanent romantic hunter gatherer state we don't understand the nature of nature, wich is always changing evolving and making new innovations and adaptions.
Because if we do go that romantic vision either by choice or by catastrophic breakdown and become hunter gatherers and loose our complex culture and scientific knowledge, we will fragment into different tribes, governed by all sort of mystical spritual nonsensical beliefs, and some day one or more tribe is bound to rediscover agriculture and start recreating modern civilization. And we will once more face most of the same predicament we are in to day, even though oil, coal, gass and mineral resources will not be as easy to extract.
Modern society, science and technology and aspects of our hunter gatherer nature brought us were we are. We are in deep crap. But we should really not dismiss the fact that we could help ourselves and the planet by thinking in rational scientific ways about the nature of our problems and acting in rational scientifically based ways to get to a sustainable way of life.
I'm not prepared to go on a path where our great grandchildren doesn not have access to modern medicine and can not learn the science of genomics, astromomy, electronics, and instead learn that the moon and the sun is a mystical being or god, and that a disease are caused by bad spirits.
Sixstrings wrote:It's ok to love the natural world, just don't forget that people come first.
ReverseEngineer wrote:the fact is that WE do not come first, the EARTH comes first. Without the Earth, we just got no place to live, we do NOT have access to a Stargate and we can't just walk off to another world.
oowolf wrote:note on "Wetico psychosis": Jack D. Forbes' masterwork "Columbus and Other Cannibals" is, at long last, back in print. It is a damning indictment of so-called Western Civilization, from one of the most eloquent Native American philosophers since Chief Seattle. This is another book that's definitely not for the timid.
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