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Do YOU hear the WAR DRUMS in EUROPE ?

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Re: Do YOU hear the WAR DRUMS in EUROPE ?

Unread postby Withnail » Sun 21 Jun 2015, 17:20:25

Russian state accounts frozen by Belgium in a move condemned by Moscow have been unblocked, Belgium's foreign minister says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33214456
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Re: Do YOU hear the WAR DRUMS in EUROPE ?

Unread postby Withnail » Sun 21 Jun 2015, 17:28:59

Don't fuck with Russia.

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Re: Do YOU hear the WAR DRUMS in EUROPE ?

Unread postby zoidberg » Sun 21 Jun 2015, 20:48:09

davep wrote:Currently the state does tend to use any excuse to increase our "security" by restricting freedom. But that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on evil. There are plenty of others out there who would certainly be worse given the chance to rule (but that doesn't excuse the State from consolidating power and taking the interests of their corporate donors over the electorate, for example). Could we try a bit of nuance? :)


the state consolidates the power giving them the chance to rule according to their evil whims. It's the consolidation that's the problem and like any good self replicating meme it teaches its constituant parts ie people to never think about it. Tell them and they get mad. It's fascinating.
The internet removed the top down centralized states innate advantage. We all sense it but the meme stops bringing it to it logical conclusion.

Ie smash the nation states and reduce the size of the organizational grouping to smaller local groups. The thought that we Cant it just the instilled programming telling you we Cant.

Also advances in military tech has made large armies expensive battleships in an age of aircraft carriers as an analogy.

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Re: Do YOU hear the WAR DRUMS in EUROPE ?

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 09:14:14

http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.or ... _2997.html

Preparing for the Worst: Are Russian and NATO Military Exercises Making War in Europe more Likely?

Wednesday 12 August 2015

Over the last 18 months, against the backdrop of the war in Ukraine, the relationship between Russia and the West has deteriorated considerably. One aspect of the confrontation, as previously documented by the ELN, has been a game of Russian-instigated dangerous brinkmanship which has resulted in many serious close military encounters between the forces of Russia and NATO and its partners over the last 15 months. Another aspect, however has been the increased scope and size of the military exercises conducted by both Russia and by NATO and its partners in the Euro-Atlantic area since the Ukraine crisis began. ......
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http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/n ... 95637.html
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